Author Topic: Setup for January 30, 2004 (Read 3671 times)

snocone · « **Reply #30 on:** January 30, 2004, 09:50:24 PM »

I like the setup like it is, a new BoB, hooray!

But then again I am an idiot.

Grits · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2004, 12:09:53 AM »

Hungary was miserable, every plane but the G10 was utterly outclassed by the Lala's and Yak-9U's. I give Hungary an F.

This one would be ideal if the Tiffie was gone. Also, why do the Brits have the A20 and B26? Shouldn't they only have the Boston?

The setup could be somewhat evened if the 190A5/A8 was added as a sub for the A3, afterall isnt our Tiffie a later version than the era we are in?

artik · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2004, 01:55:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Hungary was miserable, every plane but the G10 was utterly outclassed by the Lala's and Yak-9U's. I give Hungary an F.

Actually If you fly 109G-10 and 190D-9 you can beat all Lavochkins and Yaks.

Yes if you take 109g2 and expect to outrun La7 you will not. If VVS uses most modern plane you should use them too to win.

I flew couple of times for axis in Hungary setup and have to tell I feel much better in cocpit of 109G10 then in cocpit of La7 or Yak.

Most important perfomance of 109G10 over La7 and Yak is Suprior climb raito, surpior speed over 10k (even with gondolas), and 9 min of WEP.

This combination actually gives you allmost allways E advantage over VVS planes. It takes 2.5 minutes to get to 10k from the deck. At this alt La7 loose most of advantage over 109. Only thing you have to do in 109 is roll climb with WEP duaring 3 minutes (you will still have 5 min WEP for combat if you will enter directly) and you outperform La7 in all.

So to all axis players - you have great planes - use them smart and all ok. But if you going to fly G2 on the deck and tell 109 outperformed by Yak and La7 - it is true - outperformed.

Arlo · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2004, 03:06:25 AM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Hungary was miserable, every plane but the G10 was utterly outclassed by the Lala's and Yak-9U's. I give Hungary an F.

Don't sell the 109F short, Gritz.

9 Kills of La-5FN
1 Deaths by La-5FN

16 Kills of La-7
5 Deaths by La-7

2 Kills of Yak-9T
0 Deaths by Yak-9T

8 Kills of Yak-9U
4 Deaths by Yak-9U

And I don't particularly fancy German iron.

Slash27 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2004, 04:45:11 AM »

Setups with Corsairs, Hellcats, and FM-2 against the A6M5 and the Ki-61?

When was this set up ran?

tzr · « **Reply #35 on:** January 31, 2004, 07:52:44 AM »

I think the FM2 was there also.....and the NIK1

then they wined about the FM2 being too Uber.....

But then I could be wrong??

Grits · « **Reply #36 on:** January 31, 2004, 08:49:56 AM »

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Originally posted by artik
But if you going to fly G2 on the deck and tell 109 outperformed by Yak and La7 - it is true - outperformed.

You are right, but the catch is, sooner or later you must come down to where the enema is (5k and under) or you cant kill them. How do you beat 5 Lala's and 5 Yaks in 6 G10's? Maybe you can, I cant.

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Word on the street is Arlo said...

Don't sell the 109F short, Gritz.

I dont, and I got kills in it an several other (A5, G10) LW aircraft, but in Hungary (even more so than normal for me) it was a one way trip to a gang pileon.

I still give Hungary (the planeset, not the map) an F. Map was really cool, planeset bit the big one.

Kweassa · « **Reply #37 on:** January 31, 2004, 05:03:31 PM »

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When was this set up ran?

Granted, not recently.

But I've been here since CT was first created. I remeber what the early days of PAC setups in the CT was like. The setup, did run. Even worse, there was a setup with A6M2s and 5s, against Hellcats and Corsairs.

Yes, it was the early days of CT before every setup was 'standardized' in terms of balance and playability.

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Besides, throw in a N1K2 in the mentioned setup and still things don't change. The point remains valid, I'm afraid.

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I thought Hungary was good.

Regardless of the La-7s, there were basically only two "types" of fighters in both sides, which were very simularly matched with no certain combination of tactical advantages horded to one side's planeset. Speed was about equal. Little bit of advantage in maneuverability to the VVS, but not so large as that cannot be covered by the LW machines.

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Imagine a USAAF vs LW setup. P-51s and P-47s vs Bf109s and Fw190Ds. Two sides, two plane types, closely matched.

And then, add in a Spit9 to the setup and what do you get?

It becomes a early~mid '44 setup with that.

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Now, regardless of history, in terms of game balance, that's exactly the same thing as adding in a N1K2 for the Axis planes on the recent Hungary setup.

I'm willing to bet a whole lot of people will spend the entire week whining about adding in the N1K2 is a destruction of balance.

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In terms of gameplay the only thing which justifies the uber variety of Allied planes is history. And the Axis pilots are willing to accept that. In that case, they'd expect no less from Allied pilots.

Slash27 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 31, 2004, 06:25:09 PM »

Besides, throw in a N1K2 in the mentioned setup and still things don't change. The point remains valid, I'm afraid.

I guess if the N1Ks not shooting at you it does.

In terms of gameplay the only thing which justifies the uber variety of Allied planes is history. And the Axis pilots are willing to accept that. In that case, they'd expect no less from Allied pilots.

Can you show when or where the "Allied pilots" have said differently?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #39 on:** January 31, 2004, 07:02:51 PM »

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Originally posted by artik
Actually If you fly 109G-10 and 190D-9 you can beat all Lavochkins and Yaks.

Yes if you take 109g2 and expect to outrun La7 you will not. If VVS uses most modern plane you should use them too to win.

I flew couple of times for axis in Hungary setup and have to tell I feel much better in cocpit of 109G10 then in cocpit of La7 or Yak.

Most important perfomance of 109G10 over La7 and Yak is Suprior climb raito, surpior speed over 10k (even with gondolas), and 9 min of WEP.

This combination actually gives you allmost allways E advantage over VVS planes. It takes 2.5 minutes to get to 10k from the deck. At this alt La7 loose most of advantage over 109. Only thing you have to do in 109 is roll climb with WEP duaring 3 minutes (you will still have 5 min WEP for combat if you will enter directly) and you outperform La7 in all.

So to all axis players - you have great planes - use them smart and all ok. But if you going to fly G2 on the deck and tell 109 outperformed by Yak and La7 - it is true - outperformed.

Good post. When I flew my G10 I felt in command of the fight and averaged maybe 5 kills per sortiedespite rather poor aim.

Okugi · « **Reply #40 on:** January 31, 2004, 08:45:54 PM »

"But I've been here since CT was first created. I remeber what the early days of PAC setups in the CT was like. The setup, did run. Even worse, there was a setup with A6M2s and 5s, against Hellcats and Corsairs."

Yeah, I've been around awhile too, I remember when trial memberships were a month long and the "BOB" map was all we had. There was no A6M2 then... what are you talking about??
Back then we didn't ***** about planesets or balance, we played and had fun... I wish it was like that now.

Squire · « **Reply #41 on:** February 01, 2004, 12:27:44 AM »

"In terms of gameplay the only thing which justifies the uber variety of Allied planes is history. And the Axis pilots are willing to accept that. In that case, they'd expect no less from Allied pilots."

I would post a reply if I had any idea what the hell you were talking about.

Kweassa · « **Reply #42 on:** February 01, 2004, 05:21:16 AM »

You'd understand when you see it is you who bend, not the spoon.

Batz · « **Reply #43 on:** February 01, 2004, 07:33:13 AM »

lol

Confuse him with that eastern mysticism!!!

Squire · « **Reply #44 on:** February 01, 2004, 09:24:59 AM »

"but add in the RAF Spitfire9, and the Luftwaffe is immediately is pressed into a very timid defensive"

"Imagine a USAAF vs LW setup. P-51s and P-47s vs Bf109s and Fw190Ds. Two sides, two plane types, closely matched.

And then, add in a Spit9 to the setup and what do you get?"

Seems I have found a translation after all, and its nothing new.

Can you say "hizooka" in Tibetan?