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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #105 on: February 02, 2004, 12:55:59 PM »
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I am glad it's over too. But I am happy we still have nukes. We have seen what happens to countries who can't protect themselves. :(


Oh my, rarely see such a target of opportunity as what you've just presented. To avoid tiresome escallation I'll just say, you mean like Kuwait?
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« Reply #106 on: February 02, 2004, 12:58:01 PM »
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"You had Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev and Gor'kiy inside your strategic bombers range, and you had B-52s with H-bombs on patrol over Europe 24/7. You didn't have (and still don't have) any serious air-defense forces. That's what I mean by "agressive".

 


Yeah, I can see it being viewed like that.

However, I think on our side it was viewed in the "MAD doctrine" way as defensive. Funny how we both felt we were in defensive postures against a potential aggressor.

We had all that stuff (Although the B-52's patrolling over Europe were only during the "early days" of the CW. When I was in, they didn't maintain a 24/7 cap. They rarely flew at all.) and the intent in our planning was to dissuade you guys from "aggressing" into Europe.

You're right, we still don't and never did have any real ground to air capabilities. A vast oversight in my opinion.
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« Reply #107 on: February 02, 2004, 01:04:22 PM »
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The west IS obsessed with making hardware too expensive!


This is just your opinion.

Please accept the fact that others may think diffently. I personally feel, considering the success of the F-15 and F-16 series, they have been bargains.

"Almost as good" is just that. What it comes down to is widows/widowers and mothers with dead sons and daughters. What price do you want to put on that?

Build cheap stuff, buy cheap stuff; go for it. I'm pretty happy with what we build for our Air Force. The record speaks for itself.
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« Reply #108 on: February 02, 2004, 01:29:11 PM »
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I must say I find Rude's interest in my noodle somewhat disconcerting, and what it has to do with the Mig-25 is anyone's guess.


Well, I might well develope a Lorena Bobbit interest in your noodle, if I could find it in the first place.

As to the relevance of your noodle and a Mig 25....both are disfunctional.

That was too easy.
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« Reply #109 on: February 02, 2004, 01:31:20 PM »
LOL Rude.  Didn't your mother ever teach you to not play with your food before you eat it? :rofl
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« Reply #110 on: February 02, 2004, 01:41:00 PM »
Look....Americans are proud of everything American...well, almost everything:)

Let's all hope that none of this great hardware get's turned loose in force....the world is not as big as it used to be and the end result of such an action would hurt us all.

I'm for gettin along, except when folks say their hellbent on killing us....those folks, along with anyone who stands with them by voice or action or the lack of action, is my enemy.
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« Reply #111 on: February 02, 2004, 01:41:54 PM »
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Oh my, rarely see such a target of opportunity as what you've just presented. To avoid tiresome escallation I'll just say, you mean like Kuwait?


If we didn't have nukes - you could use absolutely the same propaganda brainwashing crap and plain lies to justify an agression against Russia as you did against Yugoslavia and Iraq.

I have to admit that any country in your place  could probably try the same thing. Power corrupts.
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« Reply #112 on: February 02, 2004, 01:50:54 PM »
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Power corrupts.


Yeah, no kidding. Like you get a real big army or something, the next thing you know, half of Europe has your boot on their neck, enjoying the fruits of Communism or something.

Oh... wait.... I know... they ALL WANTED TO BE COMMUNIST! Sorry, I forgot.

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« Reply #113 on: February 02, 2004, 01:52:11 PM »
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If we didn't have nukes - you could use absolutely the same propaganda brainwashing crap and plain lies to justify an agression against Russia as you did against Yugoslavia and Iraq.

I have to admit that any country in your place  could probably try the same thing. Power corrupts.


Talk about suckin up propaganda:)
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« Reply #114 on: February 02, 2004, 01:52:30 PM »
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JFYI: first Soviet airborn long-range radar planes were shipped to the units in early 60s. Americans didn't have anything like that in that times.

Tu-126:



Try again Boroda, I'm sorry you don't even win the home version of our game j/k :D   Here is a photo of a RC-121 AWACS type aircraft ( no where near the capabilities of the E-3 ).


and here is the link to the New York Times article (dated APRIL 19, 1958) about the RC-121.  HERE
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« Reply #115 on: February 02, 2004, 01:53:30 PM »
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If we didn't have nukes - you could use absolutely the same propaganda brainwashing crap and plain lies to justify an agression against Russia as you did against Yugoslavia and Iraq.

I have to admit that any country in your place  could probably try the same thing. Power corrupts.


Unlike the USSR? Which didn't invade numerous countries? Power certainly corrupted the communists, won't argue that.

I wasn't aware the US was occupying Yugoslavia. Amazing what our leaders are keeping from us.
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« Reply #116 on: February 02, 2004, 02:00:06 PM »
The F-15 is still in production for South Korea but I think the US has stopped procurement.

We're building F-22's now.  We'll see, but that may turn out to be just as dominant as the F-15 was.:p

You can have three of this or that, or six of another for each of what we put in service. Go for it. I'm pretty confident we'll still have what we need to win against anyone, if it ever comes to that. Certainly for the foreseeable future.

BTW, did you see what the Israelis have done with the F-15? IMO, we should be doing this too and probably will. Check out the F-15I. Of course, the IAF are just a bunch of bozos too and don't know what they're doing. Right? I mean, they have no experience fighting Soviet equipment do they? No wonder they buy the wrong stuff!
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« Reply #117 on: February 02, 2004, 02:01:14 PM »
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and here is the link to the New York Times article (dated APRIL 19, 1958) about the RC-121.  HERE


This is nothing compared to Tu-126. You simply copied a rotating antenna in an aerodynamic cowl later.

"No where near the capabilities of the E-3" - well said.
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« Reply #118 on: February 02, 2004, 02:06:18 PM »
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This is nothing compared to Tu-126. You simply copied a rotating antenna in an aerodynamic cowl later.

"No where near the capabilities of the E-3" - well said.


LOL Boroda, the TU-126 Wac wasn't much to write home about either ;)

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"A large rotating radar dish is carried on a pylon on top of the fuselage. Its (lack of) capability has been the subject of many contradictory assesments. Eight built between 1965 and 1967. Carries two complete 12-man crews.  The TU-126 has been assessed by Western sources as being of only limited capability, being unable to detect cruise missiles or small aircraft at low level. "


I know I know, simply slanted western propoganda. :D
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« Reply #119 on: February 02, 2004, 02:10:16 PM »
You guys have convinced me. Everything the Soviets built was superior. Makes me wonder how they lost the war with so few shots fired.
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