How much of this about Kerry is true?

[Frogm4n]

We should have helped ho chi minh when he came to us for help.

[rpm]

Gunslinger, I think you have just been fed the Anti-Kerry spin. His anti-war protests were to stop the killing of his fellow americans. Have you heard the testimony he gave before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971? "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" He is much more a Patriot than a Hippie.

[Crapgame]

damn....I had no idea that John "Effing" Kerry was a Vietnam Vet. First I'd heard of it....

[SunTracker]

Please dont make fun of Kerry.  He was grieviously wounded in the foot by a friendly fire incident with his own rifle.  He then courageously dragged his foot to a rear area hospital then onto a plane back to the states.

NEVAR FORGET!!!

[ra]

Originally posted by Crapgame
damn....I had no idea that John "Effing" Kerry was a Vietnam Vet. First I'd heard of it....

Indeed he is.  In fact he was the only US soldier to serve who never committed any attrocities.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
do you even read gunslinger? He is a vet that helped protest and bring about the end of the war.

Isn't youth a wonderful thing....kinda blissful:)

[Rude]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
puttin down a dude with multiple bronze stars and the silver star.

yea he is anti soldier. cept for the ones he risked his life to save under fire. above and beyond the call of duty. they teach you that logic in the corps? criticise his politics shure but you spouting fighting words with no evidence at all.  

find a quote of him putting down veterans. cause i cant.

Is this the guy you admire?

 

At a time of few antiwar protests, Kerry had during a class speech at graduation questioned the wisdom of militarily engaging the North Vietnamese. But he knew the political value of military service. After being graduated from Yale in 1966 following years at prestigious New England and European boarding schools, Kerry did not delay or avoid service in Vietnam. Soon he commanded a patrol boat similar to that of John F. Kennedy, the mother of all JFKs, whose political career he sought to emulate. After a few months he requested and received a transfer out of Southeast Asia to become an aide to an admiral in New York, and then maneuvered an early honorable discharge to run for Congress. But the district he picked was very liberal indeed, and he soon found it was impossible to get to the left of Robert Drinan, a Jesuit priest from Boston College Law School, and dropped out of the contest.

Kerry's first national media attention - and the first in which the epithet "phony" was directed against him - came on April 22, 1971, when he testified before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations as part of a carefully orchestrated buildup to an antiwar protest in Washington. The object was publicity, and a nationwide storm developed around this tall young man still in his 20s. He spoke as a member of an antiwar group called the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), some of whom felt kinship with Communist China's Chairman Mao. Testifying eloquently against the war and U.S. bombings using a speech prepared by Bobby Kennedy speechwriter Adam Walinsky, Kerry slipped away from the manuscript to add rhetorical bombs of his own design, saying he had heard U.S. soldiers relate how they had "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war." Kerry also was quoted during this period as saying, "War crimes in Vietnam are the rule, not the exception." He spoke on television of "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

Many veterans were outraged at these charges of American war crimes, which he later acknowledged he personally never saw, and which it developed had been spun out of the mouths of young Maoists. Michael Bernique, who served with Kerry as a swift-boat skipper, reportedly said, "I think there was a point in time when John was making it up fast and quick. I think he was saying whatever he needed to say."

War veteran John O'Neill, who publicly debated Kerry at this time, has been reported as saying Kerry's statements about war crimes were irresponsible, wrong, immoral and a "disservice to all the people that were there. ... The war didn't change [Kerry]. I think he was a guy driven tremendously by ambition. I think he was that way before he went and is that way today."

With his testimony before the committee, Kerry was in the eye of a hurricane, providing visibility calculated to propel a political career in Eastern Massachusetts, a whirlpool of antiwar activism so powerful that in 1972 it was the only state to vote for antiwar candidate George McGovern. Years later, local journalists laugh, Boston's pol Billy Bulger gave Kerry the nickname "live shot" for his strenuous efforts to appear on the nightly news.

But did Kerry's private beliefs about the Vietnam War match his public statements of opposition? Was it all a fraud to ride the antiwar movement and gain media attention? President Richard Nixon's staff certainly thought Kerry was a phony. According to a secretly recorded White House conversation on April 28, 1971, Nixon spoke on the phone with his counsel, Charles Colson. Consider:

"This fellow Kerry that they had on last week," says Colson about a Kerry TV appearance, "he turns out to be quite a phony."

"Well, he is sort of a phony, isn't he?" says Nixon.

"Yes," says Colson, and mentions that in the antiwar demonstrations held that weekend Kerry stayed at the home of a Georgetown socialite while other protesters slept on The Mall. "He's politically ambitious and just looking for an issue. Yeah. He came back [from Vietnam] a hawk and became a dove when he saw the political opportunities."

[rpm]

Wow Rude, Chairman Mao? What Ultra-Right Wing propaganda manual did you pull that from?

[fd ski]

President Richard Nixon's staff certainly thought Kerry was a phony.

Heheheh that's rich. Richard Nixon and his administration... the highest point of morality we could aspire to...

[Krotki]

One thing though about that time frame and some recents events, what is an ex air force jock doing landing a heavy radar plane on a carrier, an who was cia director during vietnam ?? hmmm.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by rpm371
Gunslinger, I think you have just been fed the Anti-Kerry spin. His anti-war protests were to stop the killing of his fellow americans. Have you heard the testimony he gave before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971? "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?" He is much more a Patriot than a Hippie.

I am not saying he's a flag burner......I never said that....I said he ASSOCIATED himself with flag burners.  If it would have got him votes back in the 70s he would have posed happily with jane fonda and then today denied that he did in fact have a smile on his face.  I think this guy is scum.  Dont think I'm a right wing brain washed robot....I think GWB is less scum than this guy so he gets my vote.  

Librals want to blast bush for his questionable military service than I think kerry deservs the same thing.

Librals want to blast bush for his oil ties.  Well I blast kerry for his flag burning protest ties.

Guilty by association

[rpm]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
I am not saying he's a flag burner......I never said that....I said he ASSOCIATED himself with flag burners.  
Librals want to blast bush for his oil ties.  Well I blast kerry for his flag burning protest ties.

Guilty by association

At what protest did he burn a flag? Taking this stance is like saying GWB is a cross dresser because J. Edgar Hoover was. It just doesn't make sense. 6 degrees of Seperation?

[Kieran]

The only thing that should be a concern here is his voting record. That's going to tell you more than anything that may or may not have happened 30 years ago when he came home.

Look it up, it's a matter of public record.

[GRUNHERZ]

Kerry is fantastic on Defense!!!!

"The dossier on Kerry also includes a 1995 proposal to cut intelligence funding by $300 million for the next five years and a 1994 proposal to cut $1 billion from the program that coordinates counterterrorism activities.

The Boston Globe observed last year that in 1984, Kerry said he would cancel the B-1 bomber and the B-2 stealth bomber; the Apache helicopter; the Patriot missile; F-15, F-14 and Harrier jets; and the Aegis air-defense cruiser.

The Globe also reported that he advocated cuts in other systems, including the Abrams tank, Bradley fighting vehicle and Tomahawk missile, all critical to U.S. military success in Afghanistan and Iraq. "

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Commentary/com-1_30_04_MK.html

[Raubvogel]

The bottom line is he looks like horse....and you should never trust a man who looks like a horse