God ?

[beet1e]

Originally posted by NUKE
Ask an atheist to explain how he/she concluded there is no possibility of God.

I want to hear the logic, because my logic tells me that there is no way to rule out God as a plausible choice.

No need! I am perfectly happy with my beliefs/nonbeliefs. I feel no need to convince anyone else to change their point of view. Believe what you want.

[Maniac]

I hope for god, but i dont belive he exists...

As a possibility? everythings possibel...

[Wilbus]

Why explain my beliefs? I don't believe there is a god, nor do I believe in any kind of "higher" being nor a higher meaning of life.

Univers was created by big bang, before big bang there were gases. We exist because of chemistry, biology and physics, we're not created by some kind of higher being. No need to explain it further, believe what you want, I don't believe at all.

My god is Kurt Tank.

[Eagler]

but tid bits of wisdom in this Pacino flick:



especially the references to lawyers and our "justice" system

[Holden McGroin]

The was no before the big bang... time did not exist, empty space did not exist. nothing.

The Big Bang created matter, energy and the expanding spacetime into which they could exist.

[hyena426]

Univers was created by big bang, before big bang there were gases.

were did these gases come from? if there was nothing to begin with?




Nothingness cannot pack together.
 

A vacuum has no density.
 It is said that the nothingness got very dense, and that is why it exploded.
 But a total vacuum is the opposite of total density. It is said that the nothingness
 got very dense, and that is why it exploded.

There would be no ignition to explode
 nothingness. No fire and no match. It could
 not be a chemical explosion, for no chemicals existed. It could not be a nuclear
 explosion, for there were no atoms!

There is no way to expand it.
  How can you expand what isn’t there? Even if that magical
 vacuum could somehow be pulled together by gravity, what would then cause the
 pile of emptiness to push outward? The "gravity" which brought it
 together would keep it from expanding.

 Nothingness cannot produce heat.
 The intense heat caused by the exploding nothingness is said to have changed
 the nothingness into protons, neutrons, and electrons. First, an empty
 vacuum in the extreme cold of outer space cannot get hot by itself. Second,
 an empty void cannot magically change itself into matter. Third, there
 can be no heat without an energy source.


if anyone can prove big bang is true,,you can go collect a million dollars,,but you need absolute proof,,which is impossible to prove

http://www.us.net/life/index.htm    go here and collect your money and if anyone gets the money,,buy me a beer:)

[NUKE]

Originally posted by Wilbus
Univers was created by big bang, before big bang there were gases.

How did the gases get there?  Only two options: either the "gases" (matter) created themselves or they always existed.

Which do you think?

[Wilbus]

*sigh*

[Shuckins]

I am convinced that God's main concern is man's spiritual development. Evil exists because many people have looked upon the Ten Commandments as the Ten Suggestions. What part of "Thou Shalt Not Kill" do we not understand? He has given us all of the guidelines we need to bring evil under control. I firmly believe that, whether an actual Hell exists or not, we will all be held accountable for the evil that we do.

As for the doubts that many have about whether or not God exists, I can only offer my own hypothesis, whic I have no way of proving.

Some years back, advances in the sciences of astronomy and physics had indicated that the universe created by the big bang was an open universe, meaning that it would go on endlessly expanding, until even atoms would be unable to remain cohesive, ultimately flying apart, leading to entropy and the universe winking out of existence. According to the theories of the time, our universe was an accident that would not be repeated. This gloomy end to the cosmos suggested to some that there could be no all-powerful God.

Our knowledge has continued to grow, however, and our theories to evolve. Allen Guth's "inflationary theory" of the universe, and variations thereof, as well as newer theoretical models of the creation of the universe, seem to suggest that the big bang is not a singular event. Guth's theories are almost "universally" accepted these days. He has stated that the universe sprang into existence from such a tiny point (one billionth the size of an electron) that it was conceivable that the event could have been artificial, that is "created."

A more recent theory of universal creation is contained in the last issue of Discover magazine. This theory postulates that the big bang endlessly repeats itself because of the existence of a "shadow universe" that collides with our own, over and over again, creating a new universe each time it does so.

This opens up some interesting possibilities. If the universe is constantly recreating itself, that means that time has no end. The life of our universe can then be described as a single drop of water in an endless ocean. Thus we come to my hypothesis:

1. Life constantly builds and evolves UPWARD.

2. Given enough time all things that are possibly, even if only remotely, become probable.

3. With the passage of enough time, all things that are probable, become iron-clad certainties.

4. If life constantly builds upward, eventually it may evolve beyond death and evil.

5. Ergo, I believe God is the ultimate expression of life. Through his vast experience with the nature of mortal creatures, he has come to the conclusion that it is best to interfere as little as possible in our affairs.

As I said, I can't prove any of this. However, it makes as much sense as some of the stuff I have heard on these boards.

Interested in hearing your thoughts.

Regards, Shuckins

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Possible? Sure. UFOs visiting this planet with aliens that can make themselves look like us while slowly destroying mankind in massive wars is also possible.

Anything you don't understand or have an answer for is possible.
-SW

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by hyena426
were did these gases come from? if there was nothing to begin with?

There were no gases, there was no empty space, there was no time in which to exist "before" the Big Bang as there was no before in which to exist.

A vacuum has no density.

Not true... a perfect vacuum has a perfectly valid density of zero Kg/M3
 
It is said that the nothingness got very dense, and that is why it exploded.

Nope, it exploded due to a quantum event.  There was no density prior to the explosion, due to the theory that there was no before at all and no matter, energy, or empty space either.

An empty void cannot magically change itself into matter.

E=MC2 is as valid for 0=0C2 as it is for any nonzero equivalence.  Algebraically it is perfectly acceptable to enter any number spontaneously as long as the equivalence is maintained.

To look at it another way, if my bank account were the primordial universe, I could take out a loan and spend money. But as my debt equals my resourses, my net worth is zero, so I theoretcally have no money, and yet I can still spend it.  
 
The theory is more bizarre than you realize

if anyone can prove big bang is true,,you can go collect a million dollars,,but you need absolute proof, which is impossible to prove

http://www.us.net/life/index.htm    go here and collect your money and if anyone gets the money,,buy me a beer:)

The prize is actually for the origin for life, not the Big Bang.  They wish to discredit the lightning in a bottle experiments, said to have produced nucleotides necessary for the formation of DNA.  Many other scientists are working on life origin experiments, and many show promise.

[bj229r]

THIS is why I always hated philosophy courses, they all struck me as a buncha rich athiests who lay about all day and pontificate about stuff which cannot factualy EVER be proven or disproven..."is the tree there?"..."if im not here..is it STILL there"?..."if my wife isnt *****ing at me for playin AH does she still exist"?.....

[Chairboy]

bj229,

How is that different from what a priest does?

[MrCoffee]

So in steping away from cold science and philosophy and back into the area of faith. Abraham was asked to kill his only son, by God according to the bible. Would you of good faith, terminate your own son if asked by God?

Jesus comes along later in the bible.

Me, I would have serious problems with that. Thats my answer.

[Drunky]

It's at times like these that I'm reminded off the old movies and books that depict futuristic views of our 'advanced' society.

I understand the implied foundations from these works...that once work, strife, hunger, etc are wiped out we will be left to advance in art, science, etc.

Think of today.  We don't have to toil from dawn to dusk and what do we do with the extra time alotted?  We watch TV and read the internet.  Hardly advancing in terms of those 'futuristic' shows.

I am willing to bet that we as a species, given that if we didn't have to toil at all, would die out due to malnutrition, apathy, obesity, heart desease, murder, drug overdose or just plain 'ole suicide.

Where is God now?

P.S. I have a theory that societies that are in strife need God more than those without.  Maybe we are the next Romans to be wiped out.  Remember that the world is over 280 millions years old...the U.S. is only in the realm of hundreds of years old.

Have a good day.