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Offline Steve

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« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2004, 03:07:29 AM »
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Intresting that you qualified your argument by saying "if there is a God in the christian sense" a Freudian slip indicating a seed of doubt which a true beliver would not posess.



Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!  wrong answer!!!

Having faith in something doesn't mean that you can claim it as fact for someone else.  I was merely allowing that both you and I were in the conversation and your belief is that God does not exist.
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« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2004, 03:08:13 AM »
It is up to you to "settle the issue" for yourself. Man created God in his image to explain away the unknown. This is a process you find in all peoples. The Christian concept of God took root with slaves, peasants and the sickly. It gave them false hope and justified their existence as part of "God's Will". When the powerful saw its effect they used it as a tool to secure their will, not Gods. All the while promising a better life they turned toward oppression to keep the faithful inline. Christianity survived on brutality.  

Humanity has struggled along with many concepts of God and will struggle along with out him. You can decide for yourself whether to base your life on magical spooks in the sky and faith err wishful thinking.

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« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2004, 03:15:54 AM »
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Originally posted by Steve
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!  wrong answer!!!

Having faith in something doesn't mean that you can claim it as fact for someone else.  I was merely allowing that both you and I were in the conversation and your belief is that God does not exist.



Bzzzzzzzzz wrong answer.... (cute rhetoric eh? picked that up somewhere)  I have never stated that my belief is that God does not exist.  You should be more careful.

If one has faith that God exists, then it must follow that one believes it to be a fundamental truth.  Truth is not relative.  

I have a fundamental belief that the earth exists and that it must exist for you as well no matter what you believe.
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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2004, 03:22:55 AM »
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If one has faith is that God exists, then it must follow that one believes it to be a fundamental truth.  Truth is not relative.  

 


To believe God does not exist requires faith as well...faith that all matter either always existed or was created out of nothing.

Actually truth is relative.
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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2004, 03:25:49 AM »
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To believe God does not exist requires faith as well...faith that all matter either always existed or was created out of nothing.


Absolutely correct.

Atheism is a belief that God does not exist, so Atheism is a faith in and of itself... intresting, yes?
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« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2004, 03:30:45 AM »
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Absolutely correct.

Atheism is a belief that God does not exist, so Atheism is a faith in and of itself... intresting, yes?


It is interesting. How can someone have a faith that rules out the possibility of a God creator when there is no human reasoning that can rule out the possibility?
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« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2004, 03:35:41 AM »
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....when there is no human reasoning that can rule out the possibility?


So when an Atheist tells you that they have arrived at their belief as a result of logic (like MM O'Hare said) they are quite mistaken.

And truth is not relative, unless you qualify your definition of 'is'.
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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2004, 03:38:01 AM »
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Originally posted by beet1e
NO.



 



There is no God.

<-- 6'-1", 217lb, son of Methodist Preacher.



mmm Pantheists of course believe that Nature IS God - not fluffy kind and loving ..just nature....
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« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2004, 03:41:16 AM »
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Drake's equation disagrees with sundowner's post.


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Nc = N* fp ne fl fi fc fL



ne : number of planets per star that are capable of sustaining life
Question: For each star that has a planetary system, how many planets are capable of sustaining life?
Answer: estimates range from 1 to 2.

This estimate needs to be substantiated.
If factor ne is close to zero then Nc is close to zero.
If factor ne is ZERO then Nc is zreo.
My post above attempts to estimate this factor.
The Drake equation "assumes" a number of planets capable of sustaining life without substantiating that assumption.
The dropdown in the calulator will only go down to .33 for a variable of ne.
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« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2004, 03:43:09 AM »
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So when an Atheist tells you that they have arrived at their belief as a result of logic (like MM O'Hare said) they are quite mistaken.

And truth is not relative, unless you qualify your definition of 'is'.


Ask an atheist to explain how he/she concluded there is no possibility of God.

I want to hear the logic, because my logic tells me that there is no way to rule out God as a plausible choice.

It boils down to a black and white question for me; was all the matter in the universe created or did it always exist.  Which one sounds reasonable? Too me, no human can expain either option, yet one option has to be true doesn't it?
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« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2004, 03:45:10 AM »
believing either option requires a leap of faith.
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« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2004, 03:49:28 AM »
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believing either option requires a leap of faith.


I submit that it requires faith to be an atheist, yet only an open mind to believe it is possible that a God exists.
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« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2004, 04:58:42 AM »
Nope.
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« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2004, 05:05:48 AM »
I believe there is a God... but It is niether a he or she.. "God" is beyond our comprehension, it is a factor which creates...
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« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2004, 05:15:16 AM »
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Originally posted by Wilbus
Nope.


excellent argument... you have convinced me you are right... I reverse all my previous positions on the matter.
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