Author Topic: So what's the difference between G10 and the 109K? (Read 10583 times)

Angus · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2004, 09:59:23 AM »

So how long would it take the 109K to get to 20.000 feet?
Our 109G2 does it in some 5 minutes if my memory serves me.

Wilbus · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2004, 12:53:19 PM »

Tests with G10, 100% fuel no DT, 30mm, no Gondolas. WEP On.

5000 feet: 1 min 2 seconds.

10000 feet: 2 min 12 seconds.

15000 feet: 3 min 27 seconds.

20000 feet: 4 min 50 seconds.

25000 feet: 6 min 29 seconds.

30000 feet: 8 min 43 seconds.

Flyboy · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2004, 01:16:54 PM »

if we will ever get the 109g14 it will be perked and a silly "14" will be added to his icon

10914 vrs spit14 hehe

Wilbus · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2004, 01:59:27 PM »

See no reason to Perk the 109 G14 if it's ever added, afaik our G10 has better performance than the 109 G14.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #19 on:** February 15, 2004, 02:46:45 PM »

Anybody have a document that shows 377MPH at sea level for the K-4 or any version of the 109?

I have one that show 450MPH at alt but only about 350MPH at sea level.

GScholz · « **Reply #20 on:** February 15, 2004, 03:46:50 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Speaking of Mk108, did you know that they started producing a revised 900rpm rate of fire Mk108 at the end of the war. A 50% increase in firepower over the standard early model!!!

No I didn't know that. Ooooh, I can see the B-17s disintegrating now!

Did this improved MK108 see service, or was it too late?

F4UDOA, I'm sure Isegrim can post one. I'm also sure Nashwan and MiloMoron will attack him viciously and this thread will become a 500 post monster of mudslinging.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #21 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:44:23 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz

F4UDOA, I'm sure Isegrim can post one. I'm also sure Nashwan and MiloMoron will attack him viciously and this thread will become a 500 post monster of mudslinging.

No you dumb fat clown of a Nazi Hauptgefreiter from Hogun's Heros, I will agree that Barbi will most likely know of any mods done to the Mk108, so won't start a 500pg thread.

Now if you really want to know the truth about anything German, one has to ask Butch2k who has never shown any BIAS.

GScholz · « **Reply #22 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:48:40 PM »

Well if we can get Butch2k to come here and enlighten us, that's great! But if not we will have to make due with the sources we can find. I don't know Butch2k, but many people speak fondly of him so I would very much like to hear what he has to say.

straffo · « **Reply #23 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:58:53 PM »

well it kinda survived (well sort off) ... see the DEFA of the ADEN

Nashwan · « **Reply #24 on:** February 15, 2004, 05:11:54 PM »

GScholz, if you want to know wether the improved Mk108 saw service, your best bet would be Tony Williams, who sometimes posts here, but also has his own website and forum:

http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/

The forum is linked from the main page.

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F4UDOA, I'm sure Isegrim can post one. I'm also sure Nashwan and MiloMoron will attack him viciously and this thread will become a 500 post monster of mudslinging.

Firstly, I have never seen Isegrim post the information he says he has on 109K4 speed. I have seen other people I trust allude to it though, and because of that I'm prepared to accept there is some basis in fact. The only thing I've seen Isegrim post is his own graph comparing the K4 to whatever other aircraft he wants to disparage at the time.

As to attacking Isegrim, if you look at the thread you are reffering to, I pointed out (politely) that Isegrim was using power settings that weren't available until March 45 (iirc) and Isegrim responded by calling me a liar and accusing me of making up facts.

I'm prepared to give anyone another chance, and that includes Isegrim. If I get in another debate with him, then as long as he keeps it civil I will do the same.

GScholz · « **Reply #25 on:** February 15, 2004, 05:15:46 PM »

Yes I know, but I meant if the improved MK108 saw German service in WWII?

Most of the German weapons of WWII were somehow used after the war, and many post-war weapons are developed from the MG42, MG151, MK108, MK103 etc.

A modernized MG151 is still being produced as the F2, and serves as the chin-gun of the Rooivalk.

Pretty nice bird.

Nashwan · « **Reply #26 on:** February 15, 2004, 05:21:21 PM »

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Anybody have a document that shows 377MPH at sea level for the K-4 or any version of the 109?

I haven't seen it, as I said above, but from comments by Butch2k, amongst others, I believe the document does show 378 mph or thereabouts at sea level. However, Butch said it was calculated performance based on ome tests, or something along those lines.

It's also based on a K4 with C3 and MW50, and again according to Butch, the C3 usually went to the 190s.

C3 and MW50 gave 2000 ps at sea level, and was authorised in Feb or March 45, B4 and MW50 gave 1800/1850 ps and was authorised in Jan/Feb 45.

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well it kinda survived (well sort off) ... see the DEFA of the ADEN

I believe the Defa and Aden were based on the MG213 revolver cannon, which had very little (if anything) to do with the Mk108.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #27 on:** February 15, 2004, 05:34:58 PM »

The most significant German gun in post war was the MG213 revolver cannon developed in 1944. This thing could spew 20/30mm shells at 1400rpm.

It was copied (pretty much directly) post war in the form of the following very famous weapons the French DEFA and British ADEN and also US developed M39 (F86, F100, F8 Crusader). Also its intresting to note that that the AH64 Apache's 30mm cannon, of BBS iraq video infamy, actually uses a shell thats descended from the MG213/30mm family of guns...

Angus · « **Reply #28 on:** February 16, 2004, 02:39:51 AM »

C3? Raceplane fuel mixture? Boosterspice?
BTW, where does the 109G14 fit into the rank?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2004, 02:44:36 AM »

G14 is a late production G6 with MW50 being standard. It looks just like our G6 in the game. It is not faster or "better" than a G10. Although a G14/AS (best G14) could have similar performance to a lowest model G10.