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Offline Kieran

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« Reply #30 on: February 14, 2004, 12:58:12 PM »
I don't believe they are separable as you do. If we decide to turn our backs on the world militarily, we certainly do so with the knowledge we cannot protect our interests around the world. In that event we wouldn't have many companies that would care to risk billions of dollars of investment money overseas. We would be loathe to set up trade agreements. We would withdraw.

I'm not against the idea, per se, but realistically I don't think you can withdraw the military and maintain the economic aspects.
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« Reply #31 on: February 14, 2004, 12:59:22 PM »
So Capt. Pork, you don't agree with the theory of vice being the global economic linchpin?
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« Reply #32 on: February 14, 2004, 01:01:54 PM »
America's internatrional trading power depends upon it's military power.  If America were to withdraw military, many trading agreements - not only with the US but also other countries - will be held  hostage or null and void.

International affairs come down to the basic statement,' We will smack you if you misbehave'. The smack may be economic or military, but the threat has to be there - otherwise why would the other party agree?
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« Reply #33 on: February 14, 2004, 01:05:28 PM »
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There isn't one country that depends on the US, but we do send money and aid to several countries...
 


could you name some ?
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« Reply #34 on: February 14, 2004, 01:06:07 PM »
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I don't believe they are separable as you do. If we decide to turn our backs on the world militarily, we certainly do so with the knowledge we cannot protect our interests around the world. In that event we wouldn't have many companies that would care to risk billions of dollars of investment money overseas. We would be loathe to set up trade agreements. We would withdraw.

I'm not against the idea, per se, but realistically I don't think you can withdraw the military and maintain the economic aspects.


I'm not saying they are inseparable. That notion is absurd. I'm only saying, that for the sake of this thread, the military question is addressed, while the trade question is allowed to rest on the results. Alter foriegn policy as far as the projection of power, and see how trade, and all else, is affected. Will there be effects on all fronts? Without a doubt.
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« Reply #35 on: February 14, 2004, 01:07:50 PM »
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So Capt. Pork, you don't agree with the theory of vice being the global economic linchpin?


Please qualify.
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« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2004, 01:09:11 PM »
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America's internatrional trading power depends upon it's military power.  If America were to withdraw military, many trading agreements - not only with the US but also other countries - will be held  hostage or null and void.

International affairs come down to the basic statement,' We will smack you if you misbehave'. The smack may be economic or military, but the threat has to be there - otherwise why would the other party agree?


eeeh ??

who do you wanna threat with army, whitch is able to secure armyless country ?

US have no military nor economicaly power to have war with some non-third world country
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« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2004, 01:09:19 PM »
For Maslo...

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« Reply #38 on: February 14, 2004, 01:10:47 PM »
Capt Porks Qualification Request.. Vice = Global Economic Linchpin

trade would be effected... in those communities around foreign bases strippers and hookers would lose employment, the local economy would collapse, starting a domino effect that would cause widespread european and asian depression.

This would cause us to lose trade. No trade, no trade deficit.
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« Reply #39 on: February 14, 2004, 01:12:13 PM »
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Are you suggesting the US didn't throw out warnings to the Arab world to back off?


If they did they didn't listen.  Read the history as suggested by Dune.

Holden...without trade the deficit wouldn't grow further, but what would the US do about the existing deficit...renege?

I actually didn't catch the premise of the thead...my bad, but I think Kieran is right...very difficult to withdraw militarily and protect world-wide economic interests.
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« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2004, 01:14:50 PM »
Dont know what would happend but I would like to find out LOL.
How bout using some of those  American tax dollars on AMERICANS:aok
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« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2004, 01:15:32 PM »
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Capt Porks Qualification Request..

trade would be effected... in those communities around foreign bases strippers and hookers would lose employment, the local economy would collapse, starting a domino effect that would cause widespread european and asian depression.

This would cause us to lose trade. No trade, no trade deficit.


Yeah, I'll go with that, totally. However, I think that the local economies dependant directly on the spendings of American service men/women would be secondary to the sudden changes created by the changes stemming from spheres-of-infuence. Yes, of course they cycle a lot of wealth into indiginous economies, but a larger factor would remain the sudden vacuums created by billions of annual dollars that are no longer there.
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2004, 01:21:24 PM »
lol  The world's economies are propped up by their strippers and hookers, tending to the perversions of US servicemen...now that is funny.
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« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2004, 01:21:30 PM »
wow
thanks for information

according to that list is US good will in Europe pointless
 So why do you trying to give us (europians) ultimatum with sutch arguments ?

anyway i hopethat oecd.org will be fixed asap there are lot of 404 errors
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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2004, 01:24:10 PM »
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could you name some ?


Why sure!



Buffalo News, March 16, 2003

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...In fact, the largest recipient of American foreign aid today is Israel, a wealthy democracy that receives more than $2.5 billion each year...

....Our second-largest recipient is Egypt - a corrupt autocracy that gets about $2 billion annually....

...Starting in the mid-1990s, the United States funneled about $1 billion to Pyongyang, making it the largest recipient of U.S. aid in East Asia...


There's some. If you'd like more you can google up the rest I think.
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