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Originally posted by Dowding
How about... Gyoza dumplings followed by Singapore Soba noodles. My favourite. You should be able to track down something like that in HK?

Naaah too Japanese for my taste tonight - guess you're not a very good Christian.

Come on you Christians, I'm hungry!

[Momus--]

Don't get  me wrong -Dead-, I know some wonderful Christians who are demonstrate their faith daily via their *actions*. However, I don't count as Christians these fat-assed complacent bubbas that are crying about something that has NO POSSIBLE IMPACT ON THEIR LIVES other than to stoke their prejudices. They might talk the talk, but they certainly don't walk the walk.

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Originally posted by Momus--
Don't get  me wrong -Dead-, I know some wonderful Christians who are demonstrate their faith daily via their *actions*. However, I don't count as Christians these fat-assed complacent bubbas that are crying about something that has NO POSSIBLE IMPACT ON THEIR LIVES other than to stoke their prejudices. They might talk the talk, but they certainly don't walk the walk.

Hehe don't get me wrong either - I'm not trying to torment all Christians either - just the ones that "know" what's "right" for everyone. I figure if they can say who people they've never met can and cannot marry, and define it as being "right" asking them what's right for my dinner should be a walk in the park for them and IMO of as much impact on their lives as who someone they don't know marries.

Indeed the question is also about as religiously relevant - because the bible does proscribe the eating of certain things IIRC saying it's "an abomination unto the Lord".

I couldn't care less who someone I don't know marries, sleeps with or what they eat, and am of the opinion that it's really none of my business (unless it's me they're trying to marry, eat or sleep with ) - but then I never really did get the hang of the whole religion thing.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=4426087

Unbelievable.  I literally can not believe they are this stupid, and that they think voters are this stupid.  Please prove me right America.

He smoked Cocaine, what's not to expect?

He's a moron.

Karaya

[Kieran]

Man, I just went through this in another thread.

You have your morals, others have theirs. You think it doesn't affect you because it doesn't impact your morals. Others believe it does impact their morals vis-a-vis the society in which they live. So the argument boils down to a pretty black-and-white issue for both sides; anti-gay marriage folks have one picture of preferred society in their minds, pro-gay marriage folks have another for themselves. Both sides have the right to seek satisfaction. One side is going to wind up losing in the end- that's the way it goes. There is no sense getting all insulting and personal about it.

[lasersailor184]

The reason some people want to ban Gay Marriage is because they see it as an immoral act like Theft, Rape, murder...

[milnko]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Opposing gay marriage is one thing.
A constitutional freakin' amendment is quite another.
Shouldn't amendments be reserved for important issues?  Like maybe a balanced budget or limits on taxation?
And since when is the Consitution a tool to deny rights to citizens?  I thought the whole idea was to reserve rights that government tyrrany can not take away?  You know, those wacky concepts like "freedom" and "liberty"...

I gotta agree with Funky on this one.
I don't want 'em messin' with the "most Holy of Holies" (Star Trek reference) for something as trivial as gay marriage.

It's not like we're talking about Emancipation, or giving women the right to vote here.

The issue is about how it's only socially or morally acceptable for a man and a woman to be legally acknowledged as a union.

I really don't understand the big deal, it's not as if banning same sex marriage is gonna stop homosexuality.

Homosexuals are gonna have relations regardless, so why not allow them to marry? Whom does it hurt? Insurance Companies?

I gotta tell ya, I've got bigger things in my life to concern me than to fret over whom is hitched to whom.

Banning gay marriages is as if to say only opposite sexs have the right to to stand in court and hack up joint property, why not give gays the chance to really get screwed up the butt as many straight folk do everyday thru divorce?

To sum it up, I just want them political pinheads to keep thier meathooks off the Constitution of the United States.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by milnko

To sum it up, I just want them political pinheads to keep thier meathooks off the Constitution of the United States.

So what do you propose the people who oppose gay marriage do?  They passed laws, but those laws were ignored.

Is there another option to promote their views?

[Thud]

Originally posted by Kieran
Man, I just went through this in another thread.

You have your morals, others have theirs. You think it doesn't affect you because it doesn't impact your morals. Others believe it does impact their morals vis-a-vis the society in which they live. So the argument boils down to a pretty black-and-white issue for both sides; anti-gay marriage folks have one picture of preferred society in their minds, pro-gay marriage folks have another for themselves. Both sides have the right to seek satisfaction. One side is going to wind up losing in the end- that's the way it goes. There is no sense getting all insulting and personal about it.

You still don't get it. While you may feel that your 'morals' are at stake that can hardly be qualified as others interfering with your life.
People like yourself on the other hand are indeed interfering to the gravest extent possible, what if legislation was promoted forbidding you to marry your girl?
You have no more business dictating others who they can marry than they can you - That is the essence of this debate, not the term 'morals' behind which bigots cover themselves.

[milnko]

Originally posted by Martlet
So what do you propose the people who oppose gay marriage do?  They passed laws, but those laws were ignored.

Is there another option to promote their views?

They can pass all the state laws they want, I don't care.

But to amend the Constitution of the United States? To ban same sex marriage? Come on, that's a bit ridiculous.

My view basically is the more ya amend the Constitution, the farther away ya get from the original intent of the document, and the easier it is to add to it in the future.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by milnko
They can pass all the state laws they want, I don't care.

But to amend the Constitution of the United States? To ban same sex marriage? Come on, that's a bit ridiculous.

My view basically is the more ya amend the Constitution, the farther away ya get from the original intent of the document, and the easier it is to add to it in the future.

That's great, and I agree with you.

However, you didn't answer my question.  What other avenue do they have to further their beliefs?

[milnko]

Also the thread topic/issue is not whether the gays being married in SF is illegal, they obviously are, but that is an issue for the state of California to deal with, and not an issue for the federal goverment.

[Spitter]

Originally posted by Eagler
saw stats which indicated the majority agree with Bush on this issue

Can you say  Argumentum ad populum??  
This is along the lines of "if you don't like the way things are in this country, move out!"
The ignorance displayed in these statements about the nautre of the constitution and system of governance set up by the framers of the US constitution is astounding.  
The whole reason we have a Bill of Rights is to prevent "tyranny of the majority"  (Madison's words, IIRC).   Our consitution was set up to protect the rights of the minorities.  
Following your "argument", Eagler, if your community decided that only gay marriage was legal, you'd have no problem with that?  Since it's the law?  Or you would just move to another community?  No fuss, no complaining, it's what the majority willed.    
That's what it sounds like you're saying.  If not, you're just raising a big ugly flag of hypocrisy and waving it around for all the world to see.

Cheers,
Spitter

[Kieran]

Originally posted by Thud
You still don't get it. While you may feel that your 'morals' are at stake that can hardly be qualified as others interfering with your life.
People like yourself on the other hand are indeed interfering to the gravest extent possible, what if legislation was promoted forbidding you to marry your girl?
You have no more business dictating others who they can marry than they can you - That is the essence of this debate, not the term 'morals' behind which bigots cover themselves.

I totally get it. I don't think you do though, because you can't look outside your own belief system. I didn't claim my beliefs wouldn't interfere with others, I said their beliefs interfere with mine. You don't think they do, but they most certainly affect the society in which I have to live. I have the right to influence that society as much as any other citizen in this country. One side will win, one will lose, that's how it goes.

See, what you aren't getting is you're telling Christians to shut up and take it. You are saying gays have the right to seek this privilege, and they do; the religious have the right to object, and they do. Simple. I don't take anything from the other side for influencing society as they wish so long as they stay within the process. It isn't personal to me.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
The reason some people want to ban Gay Marriage is because they see it as an immoral act like Theft, Rape, murder...

Theft, rape and murder, those have victims.  One person harms another.
Not the case with homos getting married.  Who is the victim?  Nobody.