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Offline kj714

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« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2004, 08:11:31 PM »
Oh and by the way, the same exact thing with irrigation raising the salinity of the soil is happening today in California's San Joaquin  Valley. Farmers and scientists have been trying for several years to develop methods to "wash" the salt out of the soil with little success. In  few hundred more years there probably won't be any farms there either or we will engineer plants that can thrive in a saltier environment.

But if you don't irrigate you can't grow any food either, not enough groundwater / rain.

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« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2004, 08:52:37 PM »
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In  few hundred more years there probably won't be any farms there either or we will engineer plants that can thrive in a saltier environment.


Could we develop popcorn that is presalted?  If we could develop that prebuttered cannot be far behind.
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« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2004, 09:34:07 PM »
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Originally posted by AKIron
Aside from the fact that I hate hot weather what detrimental effects can we expect to see with global warming?


Radical weather flucations.


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Of course there will be radical changes in global weather patterns but who can say what the result of that will be.


Well we can say they will be radical changes.  Daughts followed by floods.  Well also see more violent weather and violent weather of great intensity.  Typhons, hurricanes, tornados.  The US would definately be subceptable  to those.  We are talking about a phenomenal amount of engery being added to the atmosphere.


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Also, since warm air is capable of holding more moisture might we not see our crop producing regions increase even beyond what could be expected simply by the warmer temperatures?


If it wasn't for the radical weather change perhaps, but it will also mean that the great number of storms of greater intensity will have alot of precipitation in them.  That water isn't going ot be doing crops much good if there is to much of it or if it's a massive hail storm.



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Haven't weather trends and data only been collected for 100 or so years?


As was said earily, ice core sampling.  As well as trees, some have been around for hundreds of years.



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Scientific data shows that we are at the end of a warm spell and appear to be heading for a cooling trend.


No it does not.  It shows relatively stable temperature over the past 10,000 years, and a rapid (unprecidented in human history) increase of earth surface starting in the late 18th century/ early 19th century.  And the increase if growing faster.  Certainly no slow down or cooling happening.



You can find 10,000 year and 25,000 year trends here.

http://www.washington.edu/research/or/symposium/stone.pdf



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Yes, damage from warming tends to be irreversible, but nature is consistently adaptable.


Sure nature will survive, but what will be the cost to humanity?



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First off, I am not an expert on this (unlike most of the rest of the community)  but I believe that global warming will also increase the cloud layer, which blocks sunlight.. (last part of that sentence should be obvious to most of us)


I'm afraid clouds don't block infrared (the part of white light that causes heat) so more cloud cover wouldn't help.



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"In my view, climate change is the most severe problem we are facing today," he wrote in Science magazine, "more serious even than the threat of terrorism."
What a Frikin Moron. Noone else find this statement a bit bizzare?



Apparently not the Pentagon.

"Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us

· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
Sunday February 22, 2004
The Observer

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'"


The rest of the article can be found here.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html

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« Reply #48 on: March 16, 2004, 09:54:07 PM »
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Well we can say they will be radical changes.  Droughts followed by floods.  We'll also see more violent weather and violent weather of great intensity.  Typhoons, hurricanes, tornados.  The US would definately be subceptable  to those.  We are talking about a phenomenal amount of energy being added to the atmosphere. ....  It shows relatively stable temperature over the past 10,000 years, and a rapid (unprecidented in human history) increase of earth surface starting in the late 18th century/ early 19th century.  And the increase if growing faster.  Certainly no slow down or cooling happening.


The last page of the pdf you posted, (just thought it was intresting what the scientist thought):
 
• The magnitude and rapidity of past climatic changes go far
beyond human experience.
• We are still far from understanding these changes, and therefore the climate system.
• Past climatic changes wrought major physical and biological
changes, including effects on human development.
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« Reply #49 on: March 16, 2004, 10:44:38 PM »
I'm going down to MacDonalds to start fattening up for the big freeze...

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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2004, 05:28:46 AM »
The majority of people will continue to remain blind to the potential dangers of this, until their property gets flooded or blown away. Destabilising a system so critical to our survival is stupid, but refusing to even look into the possibility that that is what might be happening is flat-earth thinking beyond belief. Humanity is probably too damn proud and arrogant to survive this century, climate change or not

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« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2004, 07:03:09 AM »
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Agreed.

According to worldpopclock and usapopclock (Here), and the article pointed to by Curly,

USA, with 4.6 % of the world population (292,815,735*100 / 6,354,732,856 ) produces 25% of the greenhouses gases. Certainly Europe still has huge efforts to make (although we seem to be ahead of the US on this field), but our efforts are vain if you guys don't follow us (or take the lead: you have the technology for it).

Honestly, I fear much more for my kids about this than about terrorism. Maybe we were overlooking the Iraq threat, but a lot of you are burying their head deep into the sand regarding the possible implications.


Like someone said, this is the old chinese curse all right: may we live in interesting times...
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« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2004, 07:45:10 AM »
Thrawn, like I said early, give me a scientist in need of Gov't funds and I'll give you the data you need.

Links like these suggests we're at the end of a warming cycle and potentially onto an ice age:

http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/ccc/cc011702.html
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html

It is also important to note that our current period of warmth is a very small spike in global temperatures that range the spectrum. Remember, for much of the earth's history, there were NO icecaps at all. Global warming is a very natural trend, whether or not we are accelerating the process. What is interesting is that the process is really a cycle,  the earth will respond to regulate the closed system, most likely with an ice age.

You might also open that "free thinker" mind of yours to articles such as this one: Green Lies

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« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2004, 09:20:00 AM »
Hey, I'm from Fargo ND.

Bring it ON BABY!

Its just the area's warmed by the Gulf stream that will really suffer. Way I figure it Eastern Canada & Europe have been sucking up our heat for centruy's now.

Time to pay the piper no?

Global warming doesn't scare me.
Now the next ICE AGE, that gets my attention.

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« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2004, 09:42:03 AM »
Ghosth you old Stooge!

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Way I figure it Eastern Canada & Europe have been sucking up our heat for centruy's now.


Now that explains the funny smell on warm days :p
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« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2004, 09:51:33 AM »
so what's the problem?   population?  great, global disater or super flus caused by overcrowding...

They are all self regulating... they might kill off a billion or so and then we can start over.   No big deal.

still... all this doom and gloom from a tiny little snapshot in time data wise is..... laughable and smacks of manipulation.... look at how it makes froggy get all wet and lubed up...  some people are easily manipulated and tales of disaster and doom are the scientist best friend for them fat grants and the government goes along for the power they can grab from the fear.

bunch a wussies... the only good thing is that when thing inevitably go to ****e... the wussy city girls will get hurt the most.

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« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2004, 10:01:49 AM »
Rip, I think your reasoning is flawed.  I'm heading to work now but hopefully I'll be able to explain why later tonight.

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« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2004, 10:22:07 AM »
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DeLite - all the toxicity of De without the taste.


Well said

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« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2004, 10:24:57 AM »
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 Froggy can cheer for higher gas prices, cause momy and Dady prolly pay for his car, gas and insurance.


SHACK!!!!!

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« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2004, 10:33:11 AM »
Or, maybe we should make a concerted effort to develop power sources that are less dependent on fossil fuels and that produce fewer or no greenhouse gases.

Either that or we just joke about it and complain that the libs are claiming the sky is falling.

Pick yer poison.