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Offline Curval

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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2004, 03:55:03 PM »
Gofaster...Kerry has a huge hard-on for companies that have headquartered themselves in places like Bermuda.  He referred to them as "Benedict Arnolds".

3 points should be made clear:

1.  Kerry accepted huge donations for his campaign from AIG (American International Group) who are in fact headquartered here in Bermuda.  

2.  His wife made a bundle from one company that moved "offshore" to Bermuda in a corporate "inversion".

3.  The huge American reinsurance companies that are situated "offshore" are there for a reason.  They need to be able to compete against their competitors in Europe and the Far East.  Without the "loophole" that exists to allow these companies to be domiciled in a tax free juristiction the Europeans and Asians would put the US cxompanies out of business.  It is why the loophole exists and continues to be a part of the US tax code.

Kerry also likes to mix up the issue of work being moved to India causing job losses in the US with the offshore issue.  It really gets American voters all worked up and he hopes it will get him votes.  The two issues are totally separate but he treats them as one.

I pray he doesn't get elected.

As to "double taxation", you will find that India has a "Tax Treaty" with the US whereby the company will gain tax credits for the tax they paid in the foreign country and therefore will pay only the difference, if any, on the taxes paid in India and the tax otherwise payable in the US.
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2004, 03:56:41 PM »
So you measure a man's military service based on his politics after he comes home. My god that is lame.

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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2004, 04:01:20 PM »
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Why?  This bracket pays 80% taxes collected already.
You want to cut taxes for people that don't pay any.  How can this help the country?


by lowering middle class taxes he cuts taxes to the majority of voters...

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I guess that's one way to discourage moving jobs overseas - you'd end up getting taxed twice and couldn't dodge the IRS.


because we cant possibly let business owners run the business the way they choose...or let them offer a higher standard of living to lower class countries...




god im doing it AGAIN...


ignore me...

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2004, 04:03:43 PM »
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So you measure a man's military service based on his politics after he comes home. My god that is lame.


His military service, no. His overall political character, yes. We all have to remember that Kerry's inital political stance on the war upon his return was "hawkish," he only became anti-war when he noticed that it wasnt too useful being hawkish in Massachusets politics of the time. He is a very dishonest man, far more than most all pols are, he is patyhologically dishnoset about his own identity, he is not genuine about who he is. And thats why I'm oppsed to him, it's a shame becuse he is an intelligent guy but he is not any sort of leader. For example clinton and bush arent always honest or straightforward but never once did I get the feeling that they were dishonest about who they were, I get this feeling often when considering kerry.  It's why he says things like, "I voted for it before I voted against it." It's why he fakes throwing away his medals. It's why he runs as "war hero" defense candidate while having consitently voted to gut military spending. It's why he runs against "special-interests" but he got more lobbyist money in his years than any other senator. Its why he does things like Curval said... He is pathologically dishonest about himself... This is not a man who should be a president, or a leader of a nation.
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2004, 04:05:16 PM »
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So you measure a man's military service based on his politics after he comes home. My god that is lame.


makes as much sense as measuring his politics based on his military service...

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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2004, 04:07:17 PM »
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His military service, no. His overall political character, yes. We all have to remember that Kerry's inital political stance on the war upon his return was "hawkish," he only became anti-war when he noticed that it wasnt too useful being hawkish in Massachusets politics of the time. He is a very dishonest man, far more than most all pols are, he is patyhologically dishnoset about his own identity, he is not genuine about who he is. And thats why I'm oppsed to him, it's a shame becuse he is an intelligent guy but he is not any sort of leader.


Yep..see my post.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2004, 04:18:55 PM »
Man, why hasn't Miko2d weighed in on this one yet?

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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2004, 04:21:38 PM »
I could care less if you love or hate Kerry. I just find it incredibly hypocritical for those of us who constantly claim to support our troops to denegrate this mans service.

Has nothing to do with his politics.

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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2004, 04:26:29 PM »
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by lowering middle class taxes he cuts taxes to the majority of voters...


You just don't get it.  Most of these people pay almost NOTHING in taxes already.  Cut 0 in as many pieces as you want... it's still 0.
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2004, 04:26:49 PM »
Besides the fact that he's an prettythang...he's butt ugly..do we want that guy to be the face that represents the USA? I think not:D

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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2004, 04:31:21 PM »
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Has nothing to do with his politics.


If claims to be a "War Hero" national security expert in his political capmaign do you not think his duplicitous postwar behavior and voting record should be considered as well?

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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2004, 05:05:05 PM »
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You just don't get it.  Most of these people pay almost NOTHING in taxes already.  Cut 0 in as many pieces as you want... it's still 0.


Ok, before you guys start debating on taxes, here is some info.

FYI, each bracket here rep 1/5 of the population. The 0-82k bracket out numbers the  83k-up four to one in population.



Of the fifth bracket, only the top 5% have an average of 250k and a low of 141k a year in income. So you can guess that the top 1-2% has all the dough. I guess you already knew that but there it is.

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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2004, 05:31:28 PM »
Oh good lord how dare we tax the top 5 percent! Lets give them all the tax cuts and the lower 95 percent very little. Good plan guys.

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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2004, 05:41:11 PM »
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Oh good lord how dare we tax the top 5 percent! Lets give them all the tax cuts and the lower 95 percent very little. Good plan guys.


Whose plan is that? You do realize that the USA has a progressive tax system?

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2004, 05:44:04 PM »
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Whose plan is that? You do realize that the USA has a progressive tax system?


Yeah, progressive loopholes.
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