Author Topic: US Constitution - 2nd Amendment (Read 2658 times)

bullett308 · « **Reply #105 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:36:34 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
No way should you be able to shoot someone over property. If someone's life is endangered, only then should lethal force even be considered.

Best way for someone not to get shot Is to not try and steal another mans stuff!

hawker238 · « **Reply #106 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:38:19 PM »

Best way to prevent citizens from killing each other is to take their guns.

bullett308 · « **Reply #107 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:39:51 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
Best way to prevent citizens from killing each other is to take their guns.

LOL no offense but you must be very young.

hawker238 · « **Reply #108 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:43:25 PM »

I am in fact quite young, and why would I take offense to it? Obviously, you will use it as some kind of annullment of my argument, which is just excellent reasoning.

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #109 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:43:34 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
Best way to prevent citizens from killing each other is to take their guns.

Wrong. If you take my gun, I'll knife you to death. If you take my knife, I'll fork you to death. If you take my fork, I'll spoon you to death. If you take my spoon, I will beat you with a baseball bat until you're dead. If you take my baseball bat, I will bash your head agaist the asphalt with my bare hands until you're dead. And if you take my arms off I will slowly chew through your throat until your head hangs by nothing but the spinal cord. Get the point?

The best way to prevent citizens from killing each other is to teach them from a very young age not to infringe on other people's rights. For as long as there will be citizens who infringe on other citizens rights, there will be citizens who will kill the infringers.

Edit: Nobody saw any typos, right?

hawker238 · « **Reply #110 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:46:11 PM »

You think its just as easy to kill a person with a gun as with your hands? You must be quite talented.

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #111 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:49:34 PM »

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Originally posted by bullett308
Ya gotta read between the lines.
It aint just night time you may take action.
It all depends on the actions of the bad guy.

And If I read It right you can even shoot him If he Is trying to get away after he commits a crime LOL.

Yep Us folks In Texas still have some rights .
God Bless Texas.

Actually there is no need to read between the lines. It is quite clear. You can use deadly force to protect your property if, and all of these must be satisfied:

1. Section 9 Paragraph 41 justifies use of force.
2. You are using deadly force to prevent, or using it on a person that is fleeing right after commiting robbery, burglary, of theft at nighttime.
3. You believe that recovering your property without the use of deadly force will put your at risk of serious bodily harm or death.

While it's usually easy to satisfy # 1 and 3, #2 can only be satisfied at night. Unless there's another statue that overrides this, that is how I see it.

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #112 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:53:46 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
You think its just as easy to kill a person with a gun as with your hands? You must be quite talented.

The ease of killing is not the point. The point was that taking away guns does not stop the killing. All you do by taking guns away is remove one method of killing. And there are still 9,231,539,297,567,2875,292,239.5 methods remaining. If you really want a projectile weapon you can use anything from a blow gun to a crossbow. Then of course you have knives, swords, sticks, poisons, etc.

And killing with a gun does take some amount of skill. You need to aim it, hold it steady, and pull the trigger. I learned that the first time I fired a gun, when I emptied the clip into everything but the large orange target 7 feet away I was trying to hit.

hawker238 · « **Reply #113 on:** April 08, 2004, 09:59:38 PM »

That's complete garbage. Those other examples are either complete BS or have a much lower lethality rate.

That's a worthless point anyways. My argument is that it is not justifiable to take another person's life over property.

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #114 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:09:54 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
That's complete garbage. Those other examples are either complete BS or have a much lower lethality rate.

That's a worthless point anyways. My argument is that it is not justifiable to take another person's life over property.

Why not? You have no right to take my property without my permission. No matter how you twist it and turn it. What if an item you're trying to take has a great value to me that cannot be replaced? You have no right to dictate what value my property has to me.

hawker238 · « **Reply #115 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:13:05 PM »

You put some objects above a human life?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #116 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:21:44 PM »

Depends on the human, there are worthless scum in the world. Have some steal from you, and see how you feel.

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #117 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:24:00 PM »

Yes. The watch that my grandfather gave me is one of those items. Even if someone was to get me an identical watch, it could NEVER replace a dying grandfathers gift.

And even if we're not talking centimental values. I worked hard for everything I have. Why should I let you walk out with it? Granted deadly force should be the last resort. But if it does come down to it, why should I give somebody the fruits of my labor for nothing?

hawker238 · « **Reply #118 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:25:45 PM »

Oh, do you not have police where you live?

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #119 on:** April 08, 2004, 10:30:16 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
Oh, do you not have police where you live?

Police always arrives after the fact, to take a report. After my property is gone, probably never to be seen again. I have ful faith in the police when they are around. But unless there's a police guard stationed outside of my residence and one is assigned to escort me everywhere I go, I should have a right to protect myself and my property ... using deadly force if the occasion calls for it.

How old are you? Just out of curiosity? I'm 24.