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« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2004, 08:25:52 PM »
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What?  That's ridiculous, you don't just give people the means and hope they'll do the right thing.  I doubt anyone would argue "at least they trusted him" if a man killed 30 innocents at a shopping mall.


No, it's rediculous to think that people should have to prove themselves worthy before they're granted their rights.  

Don't forget that the government draws its power from the people.  It still does, right?  America hasn't gone that far downhill yet.  

If government draws its power from the people, then it follows that the people are the ones that grant the government its rights and priveleges... not the other way around.

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« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2004, 08:44:19 PM »
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No, it's rediculous to think that people should have to prove themselves worthy before they're granted their rights.  

Don't forget that the government draws its power from the people.  It still does, right?  America hasn't gone that far downhill yet.  

If government draws its power from the people, then it follows that the people are the ones that grant the government its rights and priveleges... not the other way around.


RIGHT ON!!

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« Reply #77 on: April 07, 2004, 08:45:30 PM »
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And i can remember when in history a democratic society ever elected a govn't which brought tyrany upon its own people.  


I'm guessing that you meant to say "can't" not "can". If this is the case, try Hitler (just to begin with)

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« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2004, 09:03:11 PM »
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Of course every citizen also has the right to defend himself from other citizens that would deprive him of life and/or property.


This is half correct, anyway.
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« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2004, 09:41:24 PM »
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This is half correct, anyway.


Can I assume you are saying a person has no right to defend their property? They do in Texas, even the use of deadly force.
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« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2004, 10:15:49 PM »
So, if you catch me stealing a bike from your front yard, you can shoot me?
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« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2004, 10:33:15 PM »
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So, if you catch me stealing a bike from your front yard, you can shoot me?


I hope so, and I should have every right. To you it might be just a bike. To me this bike was passed from my grandfather to my father, and now to me. Because of that it has certain centimental value to me, which can never be replaced. You may say that a bike is not worth a human life, but to me it may be worth 1000 lives. How can you dicate what a certain item means to me?

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« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2004, 10:49:43 PM »
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I hope so, and I should have every right. To you it might be just a bike. To me this bike was passed from my grandfather to my father, and now to me. Because of that it has certain centimental value to me, which can never be replaced. You may say that a bike is not worth a human life, but to me it may be worth 1000 lives. How can you dicate what a certain item means to me?


It could be worth 10 million dollars and be the bike that Jesus rode to the hill of his crucifiction.  If I walk into your Texas yard at noon on a Sunday and steal that bike,  you cannot shoot me(legally)
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« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2004, 11:02:23 PM »
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It could be worth 10 million dollars and be the bike that Jesus rode to the hill of his crucifiction.  If I walk into your Texas yard at noon on a Sunday and steal that bike,  you cannot shoot me(legally)


:rofl Thank you for the laugh. I so needed it at this hour at work.

I know that at least in Cali a person cannot use deadly force to protect property, which I think is BS, but that's how it is. I don't know about Texas.

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« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2004, 01:05:11 AM »
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:rofl Thank you for the laugh. I so needed it at this hour at work.

I know that at least in Cali a person cannot use deadly force to protect property, which I think is BS, but that's how it is. I don't know about Texas.


In Texas you can use deadly force to protect property and livestock ect:

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« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2004, 01:27:28 AM »
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In Texas you can use deadly force to protect property and livestock ect


This is not entirely correct.
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« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2004, 08:50:38 AM »
Kanth... you said

 "Also, in this age of technology we should have better representation for the people's will. "

I said that you intimated that we should be able to vote on rights such as this.   I do not know any other way that we could remove the right to bear arms using the "peoples will" that does not entail voting (at least for representitives) but..

maybe you could explain what you meant?   You did just claim that the constitution needs to be changed did you not?   How would we change it?

messing with the constitution brings us such proggressive things as prohibition.

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« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2004, 08:53:26 AM »
as for property... you should be able to protect it.   you should do everything else possible tho before shooting someone over property..  You should be able to shoot a theif on your property if you feel threatened.  You should be able to point a gun at someone stealing your property.   He is in fact using force on you... you can respond with force.

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« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2004, 09:03:23 AM »
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This is not entirely correct.


It is correct in Texas.

If I have to shoot you to stop you from taking my property I am allowed by law to do so. Would I personally shoot someone over property, I doubt it.
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« Reply #89 on: April 08, 2004, 12:05:09 PM »
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This is not entirely correct.


I asked a cop this very question.
And he said yup bust a cap in his arse but ya better be able to prove he was trying to steal your stuff.