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Offline osage

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2004, 11:40:26 AM »
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I think everyone understands the Israelis better now.


I think we understand Saddam Hussein better now.

Without the threat of chemical weapons (whether he had them or not) there was no way to keep these knuckleheads in line.

No wonder he was stalling.

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2004, 12:27:42 PM »
Yes, we all know that journalists and aid workers are a threat to the Iraqi people.  Death to imperialist aid workers!

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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2004, 12:48:39 PM »
Estel,

By all definitions, they're being held as hostages.
They're not prisoners by any definition under the circumstances they're held in at.

Poor thing for them, since they're not going to survive without being rescued.
POWs would have a hope of surviving.. but intentions of the captors is to simply kill them if their demands are not met.. and those will not be met.

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« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2004, 03:25:25 PM »
Those who are willing to die and kill will control Iraq.

The majority of the population wants peace and democracy.  The knuckleheads, backed by Saudi funds, are trying to throw dingleberries in the democracy punchbowl.

They are well funded and well equipped, just like the knuckleheads in Afghanistan.  Afghans knuckleheads are excellent fighters, and are clearly teaching their Iraqi counterparts.

It's up to the Iraqi people to fight for what they think is right.  Most of the sensible ones, after 35 years of horrors, have learned it's best to keep a low profile, unfortunately.

If non-Muslims "invaders" do the fighting and killing, they only create more enemies.

It's clearly a very difficult situation, and one which is playing right into radical Islam's game plan.

This "politically incorrect" quotation from offical the British history of The War in Mesopotamia rings so true:

"The Arab is generally intelligent, quick and impressionable.  But he is slovenly and uncreative in practical matters, and is lacking in the power of co-operation...He has a natural bent for intrigue...the Arab is used to continual warfare of the guerilla type."

I'm starting to think it's time to cut our losses, but that will never happen in an election year.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2004, 03:35:30 PM by osage »

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« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2004, 03:33:17 PM »
Hostages. And actually the wrong ones, as some are volunteers and humanitarian activists.

But if Japan pulls out, it would be two good things - less occupators and alive hostages.  Sadly it won't happen.

Why didn't they get Bremer instead ?
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2004, 05:36:37 PM »
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Sorry. But looks like you misunderstood. There is no terrorists. There are people who defend their country from straight aggression. Maybe your opinion is another, but this is how that people do understand the situation. And they captured some personell. That personell is now POW. What a problem? You want to think that there is no war but only counter-terrorist operation? It's your right. But you must understand, that there is another one opininon onto what there is happening. And it's very different from yours. It's just a fact. The opinion of Iraqis - army personnel captured - they are POW's. They really think that there is a war. And there there is a war. Really.


Maybe you misunderstand english?

A prisoner is usually held without demand for material/political gain.

A hostage is held for material/political gain.

They are terrorists too. Defending your country does not take a course of action which includes the kidnapping of unarmed aid workers who are trying to help your people.

You sound like another left liberal raghead lover, alls well until they blow the brains out of one of your relatives.

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« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2004, 05:46:23 PM »
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Hostages. And actually the wrong ones, as some are volunteers and humanitarian activists.

But if Japan pulls out, it would be two good things - less occupators and alive hostages.  Sadly it won't happen.

Why didn't they get Bremer instead ?


What? If Japan pulled out, it would increase the danger to all the world's  civilians. It would signal that hostage taking is effective and that it pays off.

The sad part is that these 3 people will probably die but Japan has no choice...they cannot give in to terrorists, just as nobody should.

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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2004, 08:07:42 PM »
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Hostages.


 


This is first time in my life, that i see, that Occupation soldiers are hostages at Occupied territory.


Every war proved that good occupant is dead occupant.

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« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2004, 08:09:58 PM »
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What? If Japan pulled out, it would increase the danger to all the world's  civilians. It would signal that hostage taking is effective and that it pays off.

The sad part is that these 3 people will probably die but Japan has no choice...they cannot give in to terrorists, just as nobody should.


it only prove that Japanese military and administration is useless and they have no clue how to deal with terrorist and security

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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2004, 08:44:02 PM »
Edit:.Hardly worth argueing with the insane.

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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2004, 09:23:51 PM »
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This is first time in my life, that i see, that Occupation soldiers are hostages at Occupied territory.


Every war proved that good occupant is dead occupant.


NOT true Maslo!

Look at how Germany and Japan prospered under US/ European administration!

I think your quote should have been:


This is the first time in my life I have seen an occupation, and I'm banking it's going to go wrong for the civilians and the military who are in that country. To prove myself right on a BBS which means nothing.


oh, Maslo.

don't be such a pessimist!

Ravs

[edit] Rip...agree entirely.
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2004, 09:35:11 PM »
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it only prove that Japanese military and administration is useless and they have no clue how to deal with terrorist and security


unlike your country.

hey, b.t.w., what country are you from?

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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2004, 09:40:19 PM »
Italy, I think.

but please don't think all Italians are have his point of view.

Ravs

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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2004, 12:40:00 AM »
They may be about to become martyrs. Muslims don't have a corner on that market.
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2004, 04:37:21 AM »
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