Hostage execution propaganda

[rogwar]

OK first of all lets please not get into a discussion of right or wrong about the Iraq invasion or all the other BS that has been discussed. Lets try to intelligently discuss this thread in terms of the potential impact of those types of videos.

That being said to any thread hijackers.....let's start...

I was on a 400 mile round trip drive today to visit a client and while driving this morning, and upon hearing the news of all the hostages, I was curious as to how long it might be before we start seeing Chechnya style execution videos (i.e. Daniel Pearl) made available.

Well I suppose I got my answer with this poor Italian bloke. My heart goes out to the family of this poor soul and others in captivity.

I have not seen the video but am curious if it is of the same style. It is certain that intel analysts are reviewing such as I type now.

I have seen enough of those types of videos and they are certainly a gruesome sight to behold. Not for the faint of heart. I don't believe the burned bodies of the Blackwell boys gave the insurgency the sufficient media image for which they were searching or intending. However, even these types of execution videos, although horrible, are rather "avant-garde" .

The recent behavior of the insurgents seems to indicate that professional type Jihad Johnnies (full-time tangos) are now substantially operating in the area. The developing MO (method of operation) will certainly begin to paint an interesting picture of the new arrivals to the scene in Iraq.

I am not saying that they recently arrived to Iraq, but most likely were infiltrating for some time. I am talking about a new arrival to the scene so to speak.

[NUKE]

I saw Oliver North on Fox in Iraq a few days ago interviewing a soldier who said he wasn't allowed to say how may fighters they believe are now coming into Iraq but that it was a substancial ammount.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by NUKE
I saw Oliver North on Fox in Iraq a few days ago interviewing a soldier who said he wasn't allowed to say how may fighters they believe are now coming into Iraq but that it was a substancial ammount.

Kill them all and let Allah sort them out.

[Eagler]

Iraq = terrorist scum colander

or is there someone who will call these murderers "freedom fighters"?

[rogwar]

Originally posted by Eagler
Iraq = terrorist scum colander

or is there someone who will call these murderers "freedom fighters"?

Eagler, colander is a very good description.

On another note, hijacking my own thread here, colanders seem to be harder to find in the stores these days. You have to go to special places. I would like to buy a colander.

[Hortlund]

Actually I believe that the hostage taking, and the gruesome murders of some of the hostages is *very* counterproductive for the Tangos.

They are showing their true nature in iraq right now with the brutal murders and the dismemberment of corpses. What they fail to understand is that Iraq is just as much a PR war as the Israel-Pal conflict is, and a sure way to lose the PR war is to behave like medieval thugs.

[Holden McGroin]

 What they fail to understand is that Iraq is just as much a PR war as the Israel-Pal conflict is, and a sure way to lose the PR war is to behave like medieval thugs.  

But the Palestinians have been following tactics that are similar, suicide bombings and the like.  They haven't learned that there are better methods.   They are probably ahead in the PR war dispite their choice in tactics.

If they had used Ghandi style non-violent civil disobedience instead of terror since the start, they would be celebrating the 20th anniversary as a nation.

[Hortlund]

The Pals are oh-so-NOT winning the PR war. The only ones siding with the pals are the Euro socialists/pacifists, the extreme right (as in nazis) and the arabs.

If the Pals played it right and approached this conflict with a Ghandi or Martin Luther King attitude, they would have an own nation in less than a year. If the tv images coming out from Israel were those of peaceful Palestinian demonstrations being met by Israeli gunfire, they would have their own nation.

Now instead we get images of rock throwing kids or dead Israeli schoolchildren or fanatical moslems with rags around their heads screaming for blood... = not winning the PR war.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Hortlund
The Pals are oh-so-NOT winning the PR war. The only ones siding with the pals are the Euro socialists/pacifists, the extreme right (as in nazis) and the arabs.

If the Pals played it right and approached this conflict with a Ghandi or Martin Luther King attitude, they would have an own nation in less than a year. If the tv images coming out from Israel were those of peaceful Palestinian demonstrations being met by Israeli gunfire, they would have their own nation.

Now instead we get images of rock throwing kids or dead Israeli schoolchildren or fanatical moslems with rags around their heads screaming for blood... = not winning the PR war.

Yep...

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Hortlund
The Pals are oh-so-NOT winning the PR war. The only ones siding with the pals are the Euro socialists/pacifists, the extreme right (as in nazis) and the arabs.

Glad to hear your opinion, but from where I sit it seems the UNSC resolutions that but for the US veto would have passed, the UNGen Assy opinions that have passed, indicate the Euro socialists/pacifists and the appx billion Muslims have a lot of influence and that part of the public says yasser yes, Israel no.

I would like to see a resolution condemning the Intefada.  Perhaps I just missed it.

[Hortlund]

Will this one do?

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY


RECALLING its relevant resolutions, including resolutions of the tenth emergency special session,

RECALLING Security Council resolutions 242 (1067) of 22 November, 1967, 267 (1969) of 3 July, 1969, 298 (1971) of 25 September, 1971,446 (1979) of 22 March, 1979, 452 (1979) of 20 July, 1979, 465 (1980) of 1 March, 1980, 476 (1989) of 30 June 1980, 478 (1980) of 20 August, 1980, 904 (1994) of 18 March, 1994, 1073 (1996) of 28 September, 1996, and 1397 (2002) of 12 March, 2002,

REAFFIRMING the principle of the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,

REAFFIRMING its vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine, live side by side within secure and recognized borders,

CONDEMNING all acts of violence, terrorism and destruction,

CONDEMNING in particular the suicide bombings and their recent intensification with the attack in Haifa,

CONDEMNING also the bomb attack in the Gaza Strip which resulted in the death of three American security officers,

DEPLORING the extra-judicial killings and their recent intensification, in particular the attack yesterday in Gaza,

STRESSING the urgency of ending the current violent situation on the ground, the need to end the occupation that began in 1967, and the need to achieve peace based on the vision of two states mentioned above,

PARTICULARLY CONCERNED that the route marked out for the wall under construction by Israel, the occupying power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, could prejudge future negotiations and make the two-State solution physically impossible to implement and would cause further humanitarian hardship to the Palestinians,

REITERATING its call upon Israel, the occupying power, to fully and effectively respect the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949,

REITERATING its opposition to settlement activities in the Occupied Territories and to any activities involving the confiscation of land, disruption of the livelihood of protected persons and the de facto annexation of land;

1. DEMANDS that Israel stop and reverse the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, which is in departure of the Armistice Line of 1949 and is in contradiction to relevant provisions of international law;

2. CALLS ON both parties to fulfill their obligations under relevant provisions of the Road Map; the Palestinian Authority to undertake visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt, and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks; the Government of Israel to take no actions undermining trust, including deportations and attacks on civilians and extra-judicial killings;

3. REQUESTS the Secretary-General to report on compliance with this resolution periodically, with the first report on compliance with operative paragraph 1 to be submitted within one month and upon receipt of which further actions should be considered, if necessary, within the United Nations system;

4. DECIDES to adjourn the tenth emergency special session temporarily and to authorize the current President of the General Assembly to resume its meeting upon request from Member States.

Most resolutions are like that...condemning both sides at the same time. For some reason, the media always seem to skip the "Pals are behaving really bad too"-parts though.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by rogwar
Eagler, colander is a very good description.

On another note, hijacking my own thread here, colanders seem to be harder to find in the stores these days. You have to go to special places. I would like to buy a colander.

http://ww2.williams-sonoma.com/cat/pip.cfm?src=srki1%7Cwstainless%2Dsteel%5Cscolander%2Fsrki1%7Cwstainless%2Dsteel%5Cscolander&pkey=sa0s10colander%2Cstainless%2Dsteel&gids=cw023&cmsrc=sch

[Westy]

IMO the groups taking hostages now seem to feel they can repeat the successes done by similar groups and actions in Lebanon back in the 80's. And the US secret "arms for hostages" dealings with Iran (acting as the " benevolent" negotiator) gave them a bad impression of what worked.
 Seeing as Iran is a (if not THE) silent partner backing Sadr and the current uprisings it appears they are trying for a replay. However I think that it will, and is, going to backfire  on the. Which may be why many of the recent hostages were released right away.  But not all of those groups are toeing the Iranian "line" and some of these unfortunate people are going to be abducted by rogue militants and AQ only to never be heard from again.


"Well I suppose I got my answer with this poor Italian bloke."

 I must have missed some news. What happened?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Westy
IMO the groups taking hostages now seem to feel they can repeat the successes done by similar groups and actions in Lebanon back in the 80's. And the US secret "arms for hostages" dealings with Iran (acting as the " benevolent" negotiator) gave them a bad impression of what worked.
 Seeing as Iran is a (if not THE) silent partner backing Sadr and the current uprisings it appears they are trying for a replay. However I think that it will, and is, going to backfire  on the. Which may be why many of the recent hostages were released right away.  But not all of those groups are toeing the Iranian "line" and some of these unfortunate people are going to be abducted by rogue militants and AQ only to never be heard from again.


"Well I suppose I got my answer with this poor Italian bloke."

 I must have missed some news. What happened?

this

[Westy]

That sucks