The Arab way of war

[Krusher]

good reading.

Link

[Yeager]

That figures and lines up well with my own perspective that the west will eventually be forced to vaporize a few million of those goofball people to get them evolved out of the 14th century.

Sad, hope it doesnt happen because it means my own culture will be on the chopping block but its probably going to be.

Silly human race.

[gofaster]

Only read the first page, but it sounds about right.

[AKIron]

Think he has it about spot on.

[Horn]

A good read. Too bad the present administration didn't read it before declaring war on a nation-state.

h

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Horn
A good read. Too bad the present administration didn't read it before declaring war on a nation-state.

h

Its too bad that past admininstration didn't act on intelligence offered, we may not have had 9/11 and Bush wouldn't have gone off on a WMD fiasco..(read page two, about Bin Laden)

How did Osama bin Laden, who during the Soviet-Afghan war viewed the United States as a friend of Islam, become America's most vehement enemy?

One of an estimated 52 children of a Yemen-born Saudi construction magnate, he became a multimillionaire when his father died in 1968. In 1979, he went to Afghanistan to fight against the Soviet Union, where he was more bankroll and organizer than warrior. Returning from Afghanistan to Saudi Arabia, he aligned himself with foes of the reigning House of Fahd and U.S. military forces based in that country.

In 1991, he went to the Sudan with an estimated $250 million to support the Islamic revolution going on in that country. Three years later he was stripped of his Saudi citizenship and his remaining assets were frozen. In 1996, he issued a fatwah, or religious ruling, to kill U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia. It was in the Sudan that bin Laden's reactionary neofascist Islamism was developed and nurtured. There he was able to witness a militant Islamic state wage genocidal war on its political and theological opponents. In 1997, he was expelled from the Sudan (the Sudanese government earlier had offered to turn bin Laden over to the United States, but the offer was ignored[/size]. He moved back to Afghanistan and allied himself with the reactionary Taliban. In 1998, he issued another fatwah, this time advocating killing any Americans, military or civilian. In this fatwah, bin Laden stated his solidarity with the dictatorship of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and the Palestinians.1 Throughout the 1990s, no effective effort was launched to eliminate bin Laden or his terror network. He brashly launched his jihad on the U.S. mainland on 11 September 2001.

[1wingnutone]

All I can figure is those guys must have spent to much time in the sun

 Seriously tho, does anyone have an est. on how many people have been killed in the name of some god in the last 2000 years or so.By my calculations it looks like it may be the single greatest killer, easily surpassing all other reasons combined over the entire history of "civilized" man.

[MrLars]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its too bad that past admininstration didn't act on intelligence offered, we may not have had 9/11 and Bush wouldn't have gone off on a WMD fiasco..(read page two, about Bin Laden)

I don't know what your source is, looks like Newsmax to me. Here's another account of that particular incident that doesn't make the news on sites like Newsmax...

Saudis Balked at Accepting U.S. Plan

WASHINGTON The government of Sudan, using a back channel direct from its president to the Central Intelligence Agency in the United States, offered in the early spring of 1996 to arrest Osama bin Laden and place him in custody in Saudi Arabia, according to officials and former officials in all three countries.

The Clinton administration struggled to find a way to accept the offer in secret contacts that stretched from a meeting at hotel in Arlington, Virginia, on March 3, 1996, to a fax that closed the door on the effort 10 weeks later.

Unable to persuade the Saudis to accept Mr. bin Laden, and lacking a case to indict him in U.S. courts, the Clinton administration finally gave up on the capture…

So, once again it seems that the Saudi's have had a hand in American politics, this time by not being willing to act in our best interest.

This combined with a hostile legislative branch that surely didn't help BC's efforts against terrorism and what you get is more partisan politcal BS that serves no purpose whatsoever.

[Horn]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its too bad that past admininstration didn't act on intelligence offered, we may not have had 9/11 and Bush wouldn't have gone off on a WMD fiasco..(read page two, about Bin Laden)

You're awfully hard headed, aren't you? The article was discussing the method of warfare used by Arabs, and our (the West's) possible responses. Nothing to do with 9/11 intelligence (or lack thereof):

"In the modern Arab conflict style, the people, not the government, often bear responsibility, especially in situations where the central government is weak, fragmented, ineffectual, or corrupt. The West's indignation must be focused on the societies, not just the governments of the nations from which the assassins originate."

So, in contradiction to the article, we attacked the nation-state, not the society. Get it yet? Nothing whatever to do with your best buddy Clinton.

h

[strk]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its too bad that past admininstration didn't act on intelligence offered, we may not have had 9/11 and Bush wouldn't have gone off on a WMD fiasco..(read page two, about Bin Laden)

It's Clinton's Dick's Fault!!!!!

[DmdBT]

Originally posted by strk
It's Clinton's Dick's Fault!!!!!

Hillary??

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Horn
The article was discussing the method of warfare used by Arabs, and our (the West's) possible responses. Nothing to do with 9/11 intelligence (or lack thereof):

Check out page two, thats where I quoted it from.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by strk
It's Clinton's Dick's Fault!!!!!

I'm just pointing the finger back at those that need to point a finger. IMO, it was a combination of prior administration, current, and all FBI, CIA intelligence agencies as well. No single person could have prevented 9/11, but everyone of them working together could have.

[Wolfala]

1 author to another - well done and dead on.

[Horn]

Originally posted by Ripsnort


Check out page two, thats where I quoted it from.

Truly, the density is amazing. Especially since you also quoted the question:

"How did Osama bin Laden, who during the Soviet-Afghan war viewed the United States as a friend of Islam, become America's most vehement enemy?"

I don't see a word about 9/11 intelligence in there and as a bonus, you ignored Lars' post.

I'm just pointing the finger back at those that need to point a finger. IMO, it was a combination of prior administration, current, and all FBI, CIA intelligence agencies as well. No single person could have prevented 9/11, but everyone of them working together could have.

Of course this had nothing to do with article, but don't let that stop you.

h