Author Topic: Lag Advantage (Read 2602 times)

kj714 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:53:57 AM »

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Originally posted by jaxxo
I will believe what my eyes tell me. I dont have a problem fighting anyone in the game, alls Im saying is when I dogfight players from the Eastern hemisphere, not just Japan, I encounter seemingly odd FE characteristics. Puni squad has nothing to do with it. Its a geographical thing.

That's what I'm saying. Thanks Beet1e for the screen shot. That's minor compared to what I usually get in this situation.

If thats normal, thats quite a manuever. I must've missed that one on Netaces.

Once again, I'm not disparaging the players, I'm saying that the JAPANESE squads are tough for me to fight because of the lag. Many people attest to them being great pilots, I'm sure that is true.

kj714 · « **Reply #31 on:** April 26, 2004, 11:59:08 AM »

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Originally posted by WldThing
It's the internet, there are warps everywhere, and the Japanese players cant do "impossible" things, and i have fought against every one of them in the MA. So quit worrying, nobody is doing anything on purpose, at least from what ive seen..

I fully agree.

WT - this next part is aimed at everybody, not just you, giving you that heads up cause I quoted you to start!

I don't think anyone said anyone else is doing something on purpose. Don't turn this into a cheating thread.

HT - if this goes down that path, I apologize in advance. It's not the intention.

WldThing · « **Reply #32 on:** April 26, 2004, 12:32:01 PM »

Well i wasnt pertaining to anyone, because nobody had used the cheat word... I was merely informing people that there isnt "an impossible move", and thats to quote jaxxo:

The players I run into are not warping, they just do im possible moves.

Just my mere informative statement.

kj714 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 26, 2004, 01:56:29 PM »

Hmm, well I see that. I don't know how Jaxxo differentiates warping from net lag. To me, warping is the visual consequence of net lag.

jaxxo · « **Reply #34 on:** April 26, 2004, 05:41:00 PM »

Thank you howitzer for understanding what Im trying to say. Mnay people like to jump all over a post and try and insinuate things while appearing high and mighty. I just wanted to know if anyone else experienced these same things. My interpretation of warp is a plane jumping around or zooming a few k from where u last saw them. The stuff I see is alot less noticeable visually.

Redd · « **Reply #35 on:** April 26, 2004, 06:57:28 PM »

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Originally posted by kj714
Hmm, well I see that. I don't know how Jaxxo differentiates warping from net lag. To me, warping is the visual consequence of net lag.

KJ

warping and lag are 2 different things.

Lag is caused by high ping times usually greater than 500 ms.

Warping is caused by missing packets .

A player can have a low ping time with missing packets - or a high ping time with 0% packet loss.

Through this thread you have been talking about warping (packet loss) , Jaxxo has been talking about Lag (high ping times).

Obviously a really bad connection might have both problems.

The guy who is playing from satellite will always have a terrible lag problem , due to this very high ping times. He could be anywhere btw - not just in Japan or on the other side of the world.

The Japanese/Australian/New Zealand/Euro players will have a way better connection than anyone in the US using satellite

My connection from Australia is usually around 300ms ping time with 0% packet loss. There is no noticable lag or warping with this connection.

I would expect the bulk of Japanese players to have a connection as good or better than mine.

Hope that clears up some confusion for you

Redd

P.S> the servers can also cause lag - they were really bad for a day a couple of weeks ago when everyone was really laggy.

Rolex · « **Reply #36 on:** April 26, 2004, 09:11:11 PM »

Sorry, but connections from Japan are rock solid.

The infrastructure is better than anywhere else on the planet and it takes less latency to cross the Pacific than it does after reaching the continental U.S. Everyone in Japan is on Adsl (24-30Mbps is standard now) or 100Mbps fiber.

Japanese players will have about 200ms or less to the MA server and any packet losses (same as any other player from any location) are from problem routers inside the U.S. The problems lately are a result of lousy U.S. net infrastructure and not from being Japanese...

kj714 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 27, 2004, 01:06:10 AM »

All I know is jp planes dance all over my screen on a regular basis. I can't fight against them because of it. That's the bottom line for me, all the techno talk in the world can't change it.

Redd · « **Reply #38 on:** April 27, 2004, 05:51:52 AM »

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Originally posted by kj714
All I know is jp planes dance all over my screen on a regular basis. I can't fight against them because of it. That's the bottom line for me, all the techno talk in the world can't change it.

ok well you must be right if it's all that you know.

I'll say it again - I fly against Japanese players every night of the week, they don't warp or lag to any noticable extent over other groups.

Redd

kj714 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 27, 2004, 12:12:36 PM »

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Originally posted by Redd
ok well you must be right if it's all that you know.

I'll say it again - I fly against Japanese players every night of the week, they don't warp or lag to any noticable extent over other groups.

Redd

Yes, Redd, sitting in front of my FE, in my house, that is the situation. I would say that I'm right about it. What happens at your place, well, I'll take your word for it.

SunKing · « **Reply #40 on:** April 27, 2004, 01:04:18 PM »

great post 9/10. He can tell Euro players by their moves. Love it.

kj714 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 27, 2004, 02:22:56 PM »

Wrong, read it again.

I recognize players from jp by their warpiness on my FE.

You know what, Jaxxo asked a simple question, I responded, someone posted a good link. That was about the end of the value in here.

Yes, I'm sure jp has great internet connectivity, I'm sure the jp players have great skills. Whatever causes them to jump around on my screen and most other people don't, I don't know. Anyway this is getting old, see you in the MA.

palef · « **Reply #42 on:** April 28, 2004, 03:17:33 AM »

I got kinda sick of this attitude. I have seen very few warpy players, and I've been complained about once. The one time was definitely my fault, as I'd left my other PC on and it was auto downloading some MS updates.

My ping was normally 230-240ms.

Terribly sorry for living somewhere other than CONUS.

jaxxo · « **Reply #43 on:** April 28, 2004, 11:36:15 AM »

I agree KJ. Try and get some feedback and dummies come on crying racism and standing on their soapbox. Who said anything about European players sunking? Adressing gameplay issues is having and "attitude"? LOL.

kj714 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 28, 2004, 12:03:30 PM »

Yeah, I know. Nowhere in here anywhere, did you or I say anything like "You guys suck and are ruining it for everybody", but we get semi-flamed and berated as if that's what we did.

So yeah they warp on my screen and on yours too. Of course we must be crazy or stupid or maybe we are mounting a stealth disinformation campaign against players from these regions in a plot to eventually take over the entire world, because obviously, it's not really happening.

bunch of friggin' donuts.