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Should Cali Tax the Indian Casinos?
« on: April 28, 2004, 11:04:58 AM »
So I am listening to the radio and they are playing commercials saying to vote for some proposition that would tax the Indian Casino profits 25% it would be over 2 billion for California.


I say go for it.



What do you guys think?  Plus anyone know what the prop number is?

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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2004, 11:12:19 AM »
It is the same all over the country, the Indians can not be taxed by the states as they refer to their treaties of the 1800's...

I disagree, but it has been discussed over and over, and plain and simply is a crock of crap.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2004, 11:15:50 AM »
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It is the same all over the country, the Indians can not be taxed by the states as they refer to their treaties of the 1800's...

I disagree, but it has been discussed over and over, and plain and simply is a crock of crap.



Actually the "treaty" allowing California Indians autonomy over their casino operations was agreed to in 95-96 (with Grey Davis as Governor), not 100+ years ago.

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2004, 11:16:06 AM »
The add mentioned several other states that were taxing casinos?



Interesting though.

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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2004, 11:16:46 AM »
Gray Davis screwed us out of Indian tax money as well???? That guy sucked!!

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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2004, 11:40:58 AM »
GTO, other States made deals with Indian gaming intrests giving the States up to 25% of the Casino's net, but those are all voluntary contributions. Ah-nold is negotiating for a percentage of the Casino's take right now, but remember, Indian Lands are soverign and a vote to tax Indian Casinos is no more legal than if California voted to tax Oregon. A judge would rule it void in about five minutes.

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2004, 11:50:22 AM »
They could alaways set up tolls on the roads going into and out of the reservations.

They oughta tax religious orgs as well. The Jesus business is booming.

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2004, 11:51:07 AM »
Taxing the native american casinos appears, at first glance, to be in violation of the spirit of the treaties from the 1800s.  I know that there is a precedent to the US and state governments reneging on those treaties, but I don't think that makes it right to keep doing it.

When we granted them their own areas with their own laws, it wasn't contingent on a 'unless you make a lot of money' clause.  If you want to tax them because outside interests are profiting from the casinos, then tax those outside interests in the USA, not the casinos themselves.
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2004, 11:54:47 AM »
Screw it, Let's invade their soverign territory and take the damn casino's.

What are they going to do..have an Indian Uprising?

Wait..

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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2004, 11:55:47 AM »
Well damnit, let just invade and take over again!


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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2004, 11:56:23 AM »
Grrr Muck mine is better!

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 12:18:46 PM »
I have never undersrtood the whole indian casino thing... if casinos are illegal in California (or any other state) then keep em illegal... If indians are above the law well....

fine but..  Only allow indians to participate.  In other words, let them have the casinos but only indians allowed to gamble in them.

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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2004, 12:19:38 PM »
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Screw it, Let's invade their soverign territory and take the damn casino's.

 


Why not it worked the first time around.

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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2004, 12:21:38 PM »
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I have never undersrtood the whole indian casino thing... if casinos are illegal in California (or any other state) then keep em illegal... If indians are above the law well....

fine but..  Only allow indians to participate.  In other words, let them have the casinos but only indians allowed to gamble in them.

lazs


I think you're missing the point.  The indian reservations are not actually in California.  Each reservation is its own nation in many ways.  It's similar to how embassies are defined legally, that's why gambling and fireworks are legal there.
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2004, 12:26:47 PM »
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