Author Topic: Red states are welfare queens? (Read 2128 times)

strk · « **Reply #90 on:** May 19, 2004, 06:32:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Poor Strk.

Here, let me help.

If I had attacked you personally, which I did not, I would have called you names or impugned your intelligence or both.

For example: "What a forking moron! What a stupid son-of-a-witch."

See, those are personal attacks, cleaned up for the BBS.

And I did deny attacking you personally.

See that "Nah"? That's a negative. As in No, I didn't.

Also, I hope to be able to attend the con this year. If you're there, look me up. I'll tell you the same stuff to your face. And probably laugh in it too. Because your posing here on the BBS is laughable in the extreme; if you pose like that in person, I'd have to laugh then too.

What I did do is disagree with your entire premise and point out that you are eager to spend other people's money. Now, you may think that's a personal attack, but it isn't.

Lastly, I pay my taxes. Quite a lot of taxes as a matter of fact. Over the years, from the time I first worked until now I've been paying an ever higher percentage of what I made each year. I've learned, through personal example, that there is absolutely no end to the greed of other people when it comes to spending someone else's money. Oh, yeah.. it's always going to be "just this little bit more" and it's always for "a very good cause". But it never ends.

The reason it never ends? Because of people like you, chum. Because you have no compunctions about spending someone else's money, money YOU did nothing to earn.

You want to contribute more of your income to the nation? Feel free! Did you know you can give money to the Federal Government? Do it! Go for it! Spend YOUR money.

Oh.... wait........ I guess that isn't going to happen, is it?

I love to see you backpedal. The fact is that you dont want to pay your taxes. If that is the case, then fine, move to south america.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #91 on:** May 19, 2004, 06:44:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Apathy, in 2000 the top 1% of taxpayers, those earning $313,469 or more, paid 37.42% of all personal income tax paid.

Note this is $313,469 is a far cry from Strk's example of $30 million.

Anyway, with the top 1% coughing up 37%, just how much is going to take before you folks figure they are finally at "higher level of support to the system"?

I'm not sure what the current figure is but a few years ago the statistic was thrown about that the wealthiest 5% controlled 95% of the cash in this country. so the 1% paying a bit over a 3rd is probably about right.

one thing they don't mention much is that most working class types don't get to 'game the game' so to speak when it comes to taxes. if you have a couple hundred million or so you can hire a few accountants to make sure you pay as little as possible, maybe they knock your debt down 10% or so (Well worth keeping a few on salary at that rate).

but as for me (and likely you to), I could be relieved of all my tax debt and it wouldn't be enough to hire even a part-time guy to make sure I'm sheltered from taxes. with enough money to make it worth while you can make sure you pay taxes on as little of your money as possible. you can even use some of that money to influence the political machine to make sure that there are enough loop-holes and shelters available so that you can continue to get even richer.

strk · « **Reply #92 on:** May 19, 2004, 06:50:43 AM »

the 30 million dollar a year guy example is the former CEO of citicorp who, in the 9 months of 2003 before he retired, raked in 30 million.

that is over 100k per day. Now who is going to say that that man earned 100k per day? What could a person do to earn 100k in a day, and then be able to do it for 9 months? How many hours per day would he have to work?

I think he should give a little something back. He sure didnt make that much cash in Belize or Guatamala. Living in the US is what made that possible for him. WHy is that such a hard concept to understand?

its the OPPORTUNITY, stupid

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #93 on:** May 19, 2004, 07:36:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
So... stabbytheicepic, I'll leave this one up to you and watch you simply lie:

What was your previous ID on this BBS?

Hell... I'll leave it up to TheDudeDVant and strk too.

Come on, come clean guys. Quit sitting behind shades accounts and pretending to be clever and wity while failing miserably at both.

Till then, the discussion is pretty much dead now isn't it? You sit back and lie and provoke.... then point lookie at the reaction. It's getting pretty old.

MiniD

Who is lying? You are the one completely overracting due to your lack of ability to debate the topic. Common Mini D step over the line, threaten physical violence, become everything evil that the intertard represents. The darkside of the boards is calling to you.

Mini D · « **Reply #94 on:** May 19, 2004, 07:51:24 AM »

Inability to debate the topic? I'm sorry, but my initial point was chrystal clear, there is no need for debate.

Now quit ducking the question frogboy. You're new handle should simply be "I was banned for being an ass, now I'll come back and try to get everyone else banned."

Nobody threatened you. The extent of "personal insults" have been to call a view of "strk's" stupid. And, of course, to point out that you are a troll, a liar and a running a shades account after being banned. (afterall, I know nothing about you... right frogboy?)

MiniD

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #95 on:** May 19, 2004, 07:59:07 AM »

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Come on frogboy, spill it. Kappa? Care to comment?

What if it were true. Do you know who kappa 'really' is?? It's just 5 letters.

I have never been asked on 'this' board who I was or if I was here before.. So I dont understand how or why you guys would throw in the 'hiding' card.. lol this name is a very old handle for me.. One of my few if you will..

Mini P ... I was asked on another board and you remember all those things I wrote back to you? Well they are all true!! Maybe more so now.. So run along now and go back to your lil board of agreement.. You are not able to provide a conherent arguement here and your presence was NOT missed.. so fly fly fly... fly.. fly... fly...

dude

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #96 on:** May 19, 2004, 08:00:47 AM »

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This is pretty cool. In the absense of real data, take the data you do have and make the rest up.

There's no real accounting for exactly what the federal dollars are going for, yet that's what the discussion turns to?

Wow.

There just needs to be a "Politics for dummies" forum. That's a place where people can simply impose their unsubstantiated beliefs in any manner they see fit and then blindly defend it by using bias and vague assumptions.

It's amazing how many reasonably intelligent people have grown so bored with life that they actually choose to participate in crap like this.

MiniD

I think ^^^^ this was your original post.. Do us all a favor and listen to yourself for once man!! Run along now...

dude

lazs2 · « **Reply #97 on:** May 19, 2004, 08:08:47 AM »

sheesh... this is plain silly.. stabby and his liberal friends have bemoaned Bush giving us all, especially those who live "paycheck to paycheck" $300 back but claims that $50 is a big deal to them an not 50k to the rich?

This is also silly in that stabby, mz and strk (all libs and all hiding behind shades) all can't tell the difference between a corporation and an individual. mz even goes so far as to say that corporations prospering doesn't do him a "damn bit of good"... he must have no interest in stocks or insurance or retirement or even getting paid.

when you are young and naive... or a son of rich people with not a care in the world and think you will allways be that way or... when you have nothing and no hope....

then, soaking the rich sounds like a good idea. when you get older and realize that making ends meet means you are now rich by your former defenition.. or, worse yet... you wake up in a socialist country where the poverty is shared equaly... then you realize.. but of course... way too late..

you already voted for kerry and democrats for a decade or so.

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #98 on:** May 19, 2004, 08:53:56 AM »

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Originally posted by strk
The fact is that you dont want to pay your taxes. If

The fact is you don't know jack about me or my taxes. Much less my intentions and records with respect to same.

Boohoohoo! This is a personal attack on me!!!!

South Amercia? No thanks. I've got a solid record of citizenship and service here. I think I'll stay. I like it and I've earned it.

Despite all the folks that think they know the best way to spend someone else's money.

Toad · « **Reply #99 on:** May 19, 2004, 09:09:08 AM »

Yeah, rich folks hire accountants and tax lawyers to protect their money from folks like Strk. Big suprise there, right? Because ~37% isn't enough and 49% won't be enough and eventually 63% won't be enough, etc., etc., etc.

Do a little research, the Swedes did. See what the found out happens to your tax system and economy as top tax rates approach 40%.

The gist of it is that people, even rich people, don't always act like cows to be milked.

So ~37% isn't enough for you to feel figure they are finally paying at "higher level of support to the system" because they can afford tax accountants?

How much until Strk figures they "give a little something back"? Obviously ~37% isn't enough.

midnight Target · « **Reply #100 on:** May 19, 2004, 10:01:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
So... stabbytheicepic, I'll leave this one up to you and watch you simply lie:

What was your previous ID on this BBS?

Hell... I'll leave it up to TheDudeDVant and strk too.

Come on, come clean guys. Quit sitting behind shades accounts and pretending to be clever and wity while failing miserably at both.

Till then, the discussion is pretty much dead now isn't it? You sit back and lie and provoke.... then point lookie at the reaction. It's getting pretty old.

MiniD

Gotta agree with this. Kinda hypocritical to get all up in MrBlack's grill now isn't it? Expuriments are expuriments regardless of your political persuasion.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #101 on:** May 19, 2004, 10:51:43 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Gotta agree with this. Kinda hypocritical to get all up in MrBlack's grill now isn't it? Expuriments are expuriments regardless of your political persuasion.

I have never said anything cross to MrBlack about multiple accounts..

Whats the big deal w/ forum names anyhow. lol you guys act like some here are actually tryin to trick you guys with different names.. Are these folk w/ shade accounts trying to take your money?? I think not.. Kinda funny peps write about 'shade account' hiders while hiding behind their computers.. is that ironic??

I believe peps have trouble with it cause they are lazy. Too lazy to read an entire post and actually apply thought to it. Most here would rather look at the poster and prejudge the poster's entire stance before considering what they have written... Crazy, eh??

dude

Toad · « **Reply #102 on:** May 19, 2004, 11:22:50 AM »

I view shade accounts as a form of dishonesty.

I think it's rather pathetic that one would come and espouse his views as one "person" and find himself so ashamed of what he has created and written that he must suddenly "become another person".

Can't face the startling self-knowledge, I guess.

YMMV.

StabbyTheIcePic · « **Reply #103 on:** May 19, 2004, 12:37:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Inability to debate the topic? I'm sorry, but my initial point was chrystal clear, there is no need for debate.

Now quit ducking the question frogboy. You're new handle should simply be "I was banned for being an ass, now I'll come back and try to get everyone else banned."

Nobody threatened you. The extent of "personal insults" have been to call a view of "strk's" stupid. And, of course, to point out that you are a troll, a liar and a running a shades account after being banned. (afterall, I know nothing about you... right frogboy?)

MiniD

Pretty much 0, and it is quite entertaining(and sad) to see that FDBs are as easy to manipulated as your average tard that infests this forum. I am glad that you do enjoy harrasing other posters though, quite a sport is it not?

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #104 on:** May 19, 2004, 12:48:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
I view shade accounts as a form of dishonesty.

I think it's rather pathetic that one would come and espouse his views as one "person" and find himself so ashamed of what he has created and written that he must suddenly "become another person".

Can't face the startling self-knowledge, I guess.

YMMV.

Toad, you have seen this happen?? By whom??

I lost my account here. Still not sure why. I wrote and asked for clarification but could not be given anything specific.. So the only thing I could go on after that was I was a victum of someone's badday... That was months ago and since I have written 2x to attempt to get my account back w/ no reply. No 'Im sorry but I cant allow you to do that' or 'Kiss my ass, noway you get it back' ... Nothing.. so instead of begging I decided to use a handle I used long ago. Not here mind you.. So whatever that makes me it makes me..

dude