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Offline Shuckins

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« on: May 31, 2004, 10:33:42 AM »
...by our current generation and with our present Congress and Executive Administration in charge?  How would they have reacted to the military disasters of early 1942?

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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2004, 10:40:34 AM »
How the press would have reported it:
1939 March 15
THEN: German Troops Enter Prague; Czechoslovakia Dismembered
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Abandons Eastern Europeans to Nazis

1939 September 1
THEN: Germany Invades Poland
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Fails to Defend Poles

1939 September 3
THEN: Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand Declare War on Germany
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Idle As World Acts

1940 May 27-28
THEN: Allies Evacuate Dunkirk
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Unfamiliar with History of the Normans

1940 July 10
THEN: Battle of Britain begins
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Pilot's License Expires

1941 December 7
THEN: Japan Attacks Pearl Harbour
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Missed Signs of Pending Jap Attack

1941 December 8
THEN: Allies Declare War on Japan
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Welcomes Allied Support

1941 December 11
THEN: Germany and Italy Declare War on United States
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Fails to Negotiate Solution with Axis Powers

1942 January 1
THEN: U.N. Declaration Signed by 26 Countries
IF NOW WERE THEN: Pearl Harbor Families Fault Bush for Hawaiin Attack

1942 June 3-4
THEN: Battle of Midway
IF NOW WERE THEN: U.S. Suffers Massive Casualties

1942 August 12
THEN: Stalin and Churchill Meet in Moscow
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Heads to Texas for Summer Vacation

1942 November 11
THEN: Germans Occupy Southern France
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Loses Wine Region Nazis

1943 March
THEN: Germans Repulsed in Russia, Caucasuses
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Unable to Pronounce Caucasuses

1943 June 9
THEN: Allies Invade Sicily
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Take Long Way Through Italy

1943 July 25
THEN: Mussolini Captured, Imprisoned
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush May Have Condoned Rought Treatment of Mussolini

1943 September 8
THEN: Italians Surrender to Germans
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Refuses to Reveal U.S. War Plans

1943 September 12
THEN: Mussolini is Rescued
IF NOW WERE THEN: Mussolini Eludes Bush's Grasp

1944 June 4
THEN: Rome Falls to Allies
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Fails to Open Second Front in France

1944 June 6
THEN: D-Day Invasion of Normandy Begins
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Approved Risky Invasion "Scheme"

1944 June 27
THEN: Americans Take Cherbourg
IF NOW WERE THEN: Americans Bogged Down in France

1944 July 30
THEN: Hitler Assassination Attempt Fails
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Bungles Hitler Hit

1944 December 16
THEN: Battle of Bulge Begins
IF NOW WERE THEN: Germans Route Allies, 101st Airborne Lost

1945 January 17
THEN: Russians Liberate Warsaw
IF NOW WERE THEN: Halliburton Lands Lurcrative Military Contracts in France

1945 February 9
THEN: British Reach Rhine
IF NOW WERE THEN:U.S. Tanks Damage Wildlife Refuge in Alscace Region

1945 April 13
THEN: Belen Concentration Camp Captured by Americans
IF NOW WERE THEN: Democrats Claim Bush's War A Plot to Secure Jewish Votes

1945 April 28
THEN: Mussolini Dies
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Budget Defecit Grows as War Costs Escalate

1945 April 29
THEN: Germany Surrenders Unconditionally
IF NOW WERE THEN: Losses Mount in Pacific

1945 April 30
THEN: Hitler Commits Suicide
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Fails to Capture Hitler

1945 August 6
THEN: Atomic Bomb Dropped on Hiroshima
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Massacres Japanese Civilians

1945 August 9
THEN: Atomic Bomb Dropped on Nagasaki
IF NOW WERE THEN: Bush Atrocities in Japan Continue

1945 August 14
THEN: Japan Agrees to Unconditional Surrender
IF NOW WERE THEN: Millions Threatened with Job Loss as War Ends

Offline Shuckins

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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2004, 10:47:14 AM »
Keep this up, Rip, and I'm gonna take away your scissors and paste! ;)

Regards, Shuckins/Leggern

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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2004, 10:49:41 AM »
lol rip.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2004, 10:50:18 AM »
The current generation *could* pull it off, as long as it was over in a month or so. Public pressure and gratuitous use of the word "quagmire" would otherwise force the bargaining table.

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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2004, 10:53:21 AM »
Aren't you really asking wether or not the generation of the 40's could have pulled it off given the current state of information exchange?

I refuse to believe that those people are or were any different in general than people today.

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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2004, 11:13:07 AM »
They are MT, no question about it.  They understood that sacrifice did not mean paying 2 bucks a gallon for gas, and that War is ugly and unpredictable, and they assumed the best of their leaders, not the worst.

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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2004, 11:22:13 AM »
Too late Ripsnort..Your gov should have reacted in 1939.
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2004, 11:29:03 AM »
Red Storm Rising is a good book.

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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2004, 11:29:29 AM »
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Originally posted by Lizking
They are MT, no question about it.  They understood that sacrifice did not mean paying 2 bucks a gallon for gas, and that War is ugly and unpredictable, and they assumed the best of their leaders, not the worst.


course they did have different leaders....

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2004, 11:30:26 AM »
Who were no better or worse than the current crop.

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2004, 11:35:51 AM »
No, that's not what I'm asking Midnight.  There ARE differences between the two generations, whether many of OUR generation are willing to admit it or not.

There aren't any differences in personal courage.  No, what I'm referring to here is the willingness to remain committed to a great cause despite stunning setbacks.  Be honest.  Do you really think the current generation would react in the same way  the "Greatest Generation" did to the catastrophic defeats at Bataan and Corregidor and the surrender of 70,000 American and Filipino troops?  The current generation just saw its soldiers topple two hostile regimes in less than two years.  Total casualties of approximately 1000 are meager by 1940's standards.  Yet the press and many politicians are wringing their hands in dread of a possible quagmire.

Yes, I think there are some differences.  The generation of the 1940's, raised with fewer luxuries, more responsibilities, and less free time, and having survived the Great Depression, and being more familiar with personal sacrifice, were cut from a different bolt of cloth.  The current generation of American civilians lacks the internal fortitude for protracted struggle.

Regards, Shuckins/Leggern

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« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2004, 11:37:31 AM »
All jap atrocities would have been forgotten when pics of naked jap prisoners were released..

amnesty international would have ignored the "jewish problem" and jap atrocities and concentrated on the mean ol U.S. troops.

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2004, 11:38:25 AM »
I have to agree on what rip found...

Our press focus on negative stuff, cause thats what we watch, we WANT to hear about deaths and killings, supposedly, I'd more rather have video of our soldiers playing cards, on patrol playing with the Iraqi kids, eating dinner, reciving an award etc. Not killing...
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2004, 11:43:28 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by midnight Target
Aren't you really asking wether or not the generation of the 40's could have pulled it off given the current state of information exchange?

I refuse to believe that those people are or were any different in general than people today.


Are you serious?

I believe that there are major differences in the generation that came of age in the early 1940s and ours.  Generally:
They grew up in a depression, had very little and were very poor.  
When they worked, they worked very long and hard.  
They were much tougher than we are.
They were more willing to accept any job.
They were more self sufficient.

General advantages of our generation:
We are more highly educated.
While prejudice still is everywhere, it is not nearly as severe or widespread.
We are more informed.

Another difference:
We’ve had a lot of history since the 1940’s to reflect upon, including a few very unpopular wars.  This has had a major impact on our attitudes and opinions of war in general.

It’s pretty tough to compare the two generations.  Either you must imagine our generation being whisked back in time to replace the 1940’s generation, or, their generation whisking forward to replace ours in a future war.  We will never fight a war like theirs.  It’s very hard to imagine us now getting into a war of sustained industry, as they fought.

If we were forced into a war that ultimately would result in our country’s survival, and the survival of freedom itself, I think that we would survive and even shine.  We would complain a lot more, and we might even collectively lose a few pounds.

I do not believe that we would shine anywhere near as brightly as the greatest generation did, however.

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