Is there a light at the end of the tunnel?

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Curval
lol...nice try Boroda.

Every time Russia reneges on it's debt obligations the markets fart causing all kinds of people to lose money.  Happens once a year, at least.

Nice try Curval.

Reneges on it's debt obligations? Tell me when there was the last time we refused to pay our debts? Once a year? All kinds of people?

You have to understand that the stock and obligations market is a soap bubble. It's all very wrong. In fact the people who want to earn money on speculating at this market deserve to lose it all. Sorry, it's my own very humble opinion.

[ravells]

Originally posted by AKIron
How about a magic shovel?

By George! I think you've cracked it!!!

Ravs

[AKIron]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
would you have a link for that?  any info on what the competing bids where from other (losing) companies?

as to how fairly they competed?  our VP was their CEO up until 2000 (funny how whitehouse.gov missed this info in his bio), and is still a major share-holder.

For starters: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001838589_iraqdig17.html

[Nashwan]

You still want the money from what's left from the lend-lease debt, and USSR is the only country that had to actually pay for the lend-lease, looks like we are more rich then the UK and others?

Britain had to pay for lend lease supplies too.

The payments have been made 48 times since 1950, with two more remaining before 2006, when the debt will finally be clear.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Nashwan
Britain had to pay for lend lease supplies too.

The payments have been made 48 times since 1950, with two more remaining before 2006, when the debt will finally be clear.

UK recieved goods for 30+ billion dollars. USSR recieved less then 10 billion. Yet the Soviet payments were bigger then British.

[AKIron]

More info on Iraq reconstruction contract bidders: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/business/US/iraqreconstruction_030422.html

[Pongo]

Toad I think its two seperate issues.
Yes it is expected to have turmoil before normalcy in Iraq.  I dont think that its so strange that people expect less turmoil from what is a non defensive discresionary invasion that is supposed to be in aid of the people of Iraq, then they do from legitimate acts of defence.  
Because with WMD and links to terrror gone as issues all we are left with is "we did it for the people of Iraq". So the length and depth of the pain inflicted is a very signifigant issue with this war. More so then with others. Keegan apperently doenst see that.

[capt. apathy]

so they competed and won a bid for $1.2 B

they where also given a $7 B no-bid contract before the war was even started.

I find it a major conflict of interest to have the VP of our country as a major shareholder in a company that is receiving huge profits from the actions of this administration.  especially when much of those profits are received through no-bid contracts.

these conflicts, combined with Halliburtons generosity to the Bush campaign during the 2000 election, and the fluidness of the reason(s) why this war was necessary, should alarm anyone who is paying attention.

  that kind of blind trust isn't healthy for our nation.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Pongo
Toad I think its two seperate issues.
Yes it is expected to have turmoil before normalcy in Iraq.  I dont think that its so strange that people expect less turmoil from what is a non defensive discresionary invasion that is supposed to be in aid of the people of Iraq, then they do from legitimate acts of defence.  
Because with WMD and links to terrror gone as issues all we are left with is "we did it for the people of Iraq". So the length and depth of the pain inflicted is a very signifigant issue with this war. More so then with others. Keegan apperently doenst see that.

WMDs and links to terror gone? Difficult to have dialog when assumptions so radically differ.


How do you dismiss this as not support for terrorism?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm

[_Schadenfreude_]

Not some of them

http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20040609/6270289s.htm

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by AKIron
WMDs and links to terror gone? [/url]

In order for something to be declared "gone," there must first be proof of its existence.

[Shuckins]

The light in the tunnel comes from the Little Engine that Couldn't, whose tracks were laid by the Russians and whose engineer is named Jacques.  Its boiler is too big and its wheels are too small.  While it huffs and puffs mightily it does not produce enough power to depart the station with its load of  Saddam sympathizers, creaky pseudo-intellectual socialistic apologizers, and angry hanging-chad Democrats.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444
In order for something to be declared "gone," there must first be proof of its existence.

You mean like this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3722255.stm

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
USSR is the only country that had to actually pay for the lend-lease, looks like we are more rich then the UK and others?

Actually, I was referring to stuff like this:

Local Currency Debt Of the 202 sovereigns covered in the survey, Standard & Poor's has identified 19 issuers, 9.4% of the total that have defaulted on their local currency obligations since 1975 (see tables 4 and 5). Recent defaulters include Argentina (2002), Dominican Republic (1981-2001), Ecuador (1999), Madagascar (2002), Mongolia (1997-2000), the Russian Federation (1998-1999), and Ukraine (1998-2000).

Russia's default on US$39 billion of Russian ruble debt stands out because of its size: it was the largest local currency default by a sovereign since Brazil's default on about the equivalent of US$62 billion in 1990.

Longstanding defaults that continued in 2002 include those by Angola (1992-2002) and the Solomon Islands (1995-2002). Brazil and Venezuela defaulted at least twice on their local currency debt over the survey period; and Argentina three times. As in previous years, the 2002

[Hawklore]

There sure are lights along the tunnel..