Author Topic: P-38 Still has Problems (Read 10012 times)

Morpheus · « **on:** June 18, 2004, 12:44:07 AM »

Although the 38 is a dream compared to 3 weeks ago, I along with a few others still think the 38 has a few problems.

One of the biggest I have seen along with Savage, is the fact that she just bleeds WAY too much energy. It was always able to stop on a dime so to speak and perform some very nice over shots but if you pull up in a zoom climb forget it... An A6M can almost keep up with you in a climb. It really just falls on its face.

That right now is my biggest gripe with the 38. For what is saposed to be one if its stronger points it is very lacking. It is my main ride, I've spent many hours in it while in AH1 and I can say right now for a fact that it does not climb now in AH2 the way it did in AH1.

PYRO can you please look into this a bit for us?

Thanks
~~Morph~~

moot · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2004, 01:01:45 AM »

it might help to be more specific, i.e. what angle and speed ranges, etc.

You know this, but at slow speeds, the ac weight apparently matters more, a G10 will not distance a Zero in a 200mph vert. rope, for ex.

XtrmeJ · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2004, 01:02:57 AM »

I beleive morpheus. It is still the first day AH2 has been live and updates may be to come. Surely the P38 will be updated right HTC?

MetaTron · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2004, 01:17:22 AM »

I always love it when someone says plane X caught plane Y and that CAN'T happen.

Yes, it can. Just the facts, man.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2004, 07:18:11 AM »

this hasn't been my experience with the P-38. was commenting to Silat how much it now reminds me of the P-38J we used to have in Air Warrior, talking about the RR P38J at that.

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Delirium · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2004, 07:29:46 AM »

What I can't understand is how the P38 in AH2 flies perfectly fine on 1 engine and doesn't even need to be trimmed. Obviously, not accurate.

However, the fuel load you take now is more important than ever. The difference between 75% and 100% is akin to carrying and manuvering with an elephant on your back. So long as the rest of the aircraft have the same weight changes, this sounds good to me.

Without a doubt, the P38 in AH2 is different, its biggest loss is the low speed manuvering. It still behaves as tho it has torque...

I know that saying 'one engine torqueless flight' and 'P38 has torque at low speed' may make no sense, but I stand by it.

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2004, 07:37:05 AM »

yesterday i flew in a slow turn with a typhoon it flipflopped to evade my gunfire
i tried to follow but got in an unrecovable spin.

I gues i'm not totally converted yet.

Morpheus · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2004, 10:32:33 AM »

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Originally posted by MetaTron
I always love it when someone says plane X caught plane Y and that CAN'T happen.

Yes, it can. Just the facts, man.

It was an example Metavoss.

The spitV is one that compared to the 38 isn't half the performer the 38 is in the vertical climb. And I never caught me, but It did end up coming within 800d from 1.5d with roughly 1/2 of the energy I had.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2004, 03:09:24 PM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
yesterday i flew in a slow turn with a typhoon it flipflopped to evade my gunfire
i tried to follow but got in an unrecovable spin.

I gues i'm not totally converted yet.

I had a couple of those unrecoverable spins last night when my flaps auto-retracted in a stall fight with a N1K2. It was impossible to recover from the spin, my controls were completely frozen and no matter what I tried, could only watch as I spun in. AH1, these type of spins above 5,000ft were recoverable now at any alts it's not.

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Ack-Ack · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2004, 03:10:21 PM »

also, anyone notice the glass tail seems to be back?

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Morpheus · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2004, 03:21:14 PM »

Yup akak.

But I guess since MetaVoss doesnt like how I address a problem I should stop addressing them.

I am still waiting to see this new sim he is creating. Where to I send the donation check?

Anyways back on topic here.

killnu · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2004, 04:03:10 PM »

yes akak, me too.

JB42 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 18, 2004, 04:46:03 PM »

Next person who says " In AH1 this could do that, but not in AH2" gets clubbed over the head. Do you know why it can't do it? CAUSE THIS IS AH2 YOU MORON!!!

They didn't just change the name.

NHattila · « **Reply #13 on:** June 18, 2004, 04:50:14 PM »

morpheus you should post some more.

yes akak, i agree the glass tail is back in a big way.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #14 on:** June 18, 2004, 07:52:16 PM »

Thought so. It seems it only takes a mean look from an enemy pilot and you'll lose an elevator or one of your stabilizers/rudders. If they stick their tongues out and flip you off, you'll loose your tail boom. Hate to see what happens to the P-38's tail when it actually gets hit by something.

Sometimes when you start your roll down the runway the plane likes to yaw like crazy and doesn't respond to rudder input when this happens. Not constant but enough that it's a little annoying and no, it's not caused by ground wind.

Auto-flaps, suck...wish they'd get rid of them and it's going to take getting used to them again because the spins they throw you in now are pretty much unrecoverable.

Vertical performance...was able to hang that thing on her props without fear. I don't see any backwards steps in comparison to AH1, at least not from my experiences.

As for shedding E too quickly, these last couple of says I've been flying primarily using E tactics and didn't notice any undue loss of E. But then a lot of us P-38 pilots know tricks that can shed our E dramtically in a very short period of time, so really can't say for sure or not if this is a problem. From the fights that I didn't have to dump my E but had to keep it up, I had no troubles at all and by keeping the fight in the vertical, I was able to gain a lot of potential E.

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