Six, keep doing the ostrich. Any objective reading of the news indicates the Saudis are progressing. Not as fast as YOU like, of course, but there's progress. The Treasury report is just another example that, like all others contradicting you, you choose to ignore or disdain.
Like this one:
Saudi Arabia tells terrorists to repent or die In a major annual policy address to the Shura Council, King Fahd recalled a promise of municipal elections, but did not set a date for the first ever polls in the country - in principle due to take place later this year.
"We will not allow a subversive group driven by deviant thinking to undermine this country's security or destabilize it," Fahd said at the opening of the fourth year of the third legislative term of the 120-member council in the Red Sea city of Jeddah.
See? Steps in the right direction. Now, ignore it, change the subject or impugn it.. but it's still there. It's happening whether you choose to notice or not.
The Czechs think is a reason to go to war? I've never said anything like that on this board or anywhere else. Are you making it a statement of your belief? Or what?
If you attribute that to me, you're simply making it up.
It's pretty clear , huh? How clear? Clear proof? Or do the Czechs think this happened?No, it's reasonably well documented. Here, educate yourself;
Positive test for terror toxins in Iraq SARGAT, Iraq, April 4 — MSNBC.com tests reveal evidence of the deadly toxins ricin and botulinum at a laboratory in a remote mountain region of northern Iraq allegedly used as a terrorist training camp by Islamic militants with ties to the al-Qaida terrorist network.
Oil Production. They've increased production to lower and stabilize the price. There is a limit to how much production the world's refineries can handle. Supposedly that limit has been reached.
Here read this again:
Saudi Arabia and oil Even more important is Saudi Arabia's role as swing producer. Unlike other countries, the Saudis keep several million barrels per day (bpd) of idle capacity on hand for emergencies. Today Saudi Arabia is the only country with much spare capacity available (see chart 1), though the precise amount is a matter of intense debate. Nansen Saleri, an official at Saudi Aramco, the country's state-owned oil company, will say only that Saudi output will rise in June to about 9m bpd, and that the country can raise its output above 10m bpd “rapidly”.
This spare capacity allows the Saudis to moderate oil-price spikes. They have done precisely this at various times: during the Iran-Iraq war, when output from both countries was disrupted; during and after the first Gulf war, when output from Iraq and Kuwait was lost; and last year, when civil strife in Venezuela and Nigeria curbed output from both countries on the eve of last year's invasion of Iraq (which itself disrupted Iraqi output).
Produce the juice
The Saudis remain keen to moderate prices by using their buffer capacity. Last week, when some OPEC ministers rebuffed a Saudi proposal to raise output quotas at the Beirut meeting, they offered to lift production unilaterally. That might cool prices a bit, but would also leave the Saudis with less spare capacity to prevent a further oil shock.
Are not you the one who said we can't ruffle their feathers because of their vote and influence in opec?LOL! Nope. I said perhaps some of their previous actions with respect to oil/gas contracts are caused by the pressure we're putting on them to reform. You know, that pressure you apparently think doesn't exist. That must be what you're talking about. I think I took the position we've already ruffled their feathers with the reform talk.
Right here, right now, who controls that flow of oil?State Oil Marketing Organization (SOMO)
Here, educate yourself:
Iraq Iraqi oil sales and exports currently are being handled by SOMO, under CPA supervision. SOMO operations were seriously disrupted by war and turmoil during 2003, but the organization has now been reconstituted and has resumed many of its operations. On June 5, 2003, SOMO issued its first oil sales tender since the war started, for 8 million barrels of Kirkuk crude stored in tanks at Ceyhan and 2 million barrels stored at Basra. Dozens of companies placed bids for the oil, with winners including ChevronTexaco, Cepsa, ENI, Repsol, Total, and Tupras. Bids for the Kirkuk oil reportedly ranged around $2.70-$3.30 per barrel below dated Brent (f.o.b. Ceyhan). On June 22, a tanker arrived at Ceyhan to load the first oil since March 20, 2003, when the 600,000-barrel tanker "Caithness" completed loading one day after the outbreak of war. On July 3, SOMO issued its second spot tender, for 8 million barrels of Basra Light.
I think they're eager to regain their sovereignity and I think they're going to "flex their muscles" to show everyone they HAVE their sovereignity back. I think this will apply to the oil especially.
And I guess getting them to give up on God coming down to kill all the jews is going to take some time, eh? Sorry for asking for so much so soon.You ought to be. If you think 1000 years of history and animosity are going to be overcome in your 120 minute Hollywood window... you need to rethink.
Well, we got all those troops half way around the world and conquered a country pretty quick, but I guess a firm stance with the saudis is going to take a 20 year planMy oh my! Is Six advocating the invasion of Saudi Arabia? War for Oil?
Again, show me where I said they are the only problem?Reread your own posts. Every one is basically a beechfest against the Saudis.
Right, like syria and iran, so maybe we should start treating them the same, no?NO! Because they are NOT like Syria and Iran. We've had a mutually beneficial relationship with them since WW2. They're helping us right now, even if you are too blind to see it. Both Syria and Iran, OTOH, are allowing/encouraging Islamic militants to cross into Iraq with deadly results for our troops. The Iranians, in particular; I think if details of the messages we intercepted and read are ever release it'll be eye-popping stuff.
No, we probably bought Iranian oil through a middleman. Possibly without even knowing it.
I guess time will, we will see. But in the meantime, if you meet a saudi prince, you can shake his hand, i'm not.In your conclusion jumping, one you appear to have jumped to is that I like the Saudis and what they've done. Not the case. Rather it's Henry K's Realpolitik. At the moment, their government is helping us and we need the help. You just can't see that.
thnx to saudi cooperation they are chopping American's heads off. Cooperation? You mean some of the Saudi police loaned them uniforms and such? Hey.. did you forget the 101 trooper that fragged his officers right before the war started?
They aren't the only ones are they?
Sgt. Asan Akbar rolled a grenade into each of three tents of sleeping officers and senior NCOs of the 101st Airborne Division. Then he allegedly shot the soldiers with an automatic weapon as they fled from their tents. Two of them, a major and a captain, died, and 14 others were injured....
...Akbar, a convert to Islam, reportedly said when he was captured: "You guys are coming into our countries and you're going to rape our women and kill our children."
Yeah, they're infiltrated. So are we. Just how exactly do you expect them... or us.. to put an "an immediate stop to that "? Enlighten me. Please.
but if things don't start to change, I am not the only one who is going to have those feelings. They have started to change. Very slowly. So slowly you obviously can't see it through your set opinions.
