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Offline Toad

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« Reply #165 on: June 23, 2004, 08:58:24 PM »
Well, four pages into this, maybe there's somebody to discuss what this guys said at long last.

We see his "course of action" pretty much in the same way apparently.

Now, do you want to go through his speech and look at his reasoning?

Or do you want to make up a laundry list of friends and foes and apply his proposed actions?

BTW, since neither of us view Iran as #1, I'm curious as to who you would list.

After you, Alphonse!
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« Reply #166 on: June 23, 2004, 09:03:04 PM »
I agree with everything you just said (the premise).

As to the laundry list, I'll take your CIC's and let's see if it holds water:

Any country that harbours terrorists.

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« Reply #167 on: June 23, 2004, 09:08:56 PM »
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Any country that harbours terrorists.



not as simple as that.
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« Reply #168 on: June 23, 2004, 09:09:43 PM »
Oh?
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« Reply #169 on: June 23, 2004, 09:10:41 PM »
Define "harbours".


IE:

I believe some of the A-Q came in thru Canada. Did you guys "harbour" them?
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« Reply #170 on: June 23, 2004, 09:12:56 PM »
Yes, if you think about it.

We should be going after the main threats and most practicle targets first and with the most effort.

I think I see where you are going with "any" nation that harbors terrorists.
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« Reply #171 on: June 23, 2004, 09:20:36 PM »
"if a country harbors terrorists, the country's leadership will be considered as guilty as a terrorists."

"Any person, organization or government that supports, protects or harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and equally guilty of terrorist crimes. "

- Bush

Toad: "Define harbours"

I think we just broke out of some pretty murky waters here in this thread. Do you now want to get into semantics? If so, explain first what you think Bush meant by "harbours". If it's as you suggest, do you mean to say that Bush recommended attacking itself? Hopefully we can agree on what he meant.
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« Reply #172 on: June 23, 2004, 09:23:09 PM »
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"if a country harbors terrorists, the country's leadership will be considered as guilty as a terrorists."

"Any person, organization or government that supports, protects or harbors terrorists is complicit in the murder of the innocent and equally guilty of terrorist crimes. "

- Bush

Toad: "Define harbours"

I think we just broke out of some pretty murky waters here in this thread. Do you now want to get into semantics? If so, explain first what you think Bush meant by "harbours". If it's as you suggest, do you mean to say that Bush recommended attacking itself? Hopefully we can agree on what he meant.


what Bush said is correct.
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« Reply #173 on: June 23, 2004, 09:55:27 PM »
Ahhhh.. Nash... how can you discuss what you want if we don't agree on "harbours"?

Did Canada harbour A-Q before 9-11? Have any A-Q passed through Canada on the way to the US? Is that harbour?

Does "harbour" mean the government condones and supports the presence of A-Q terrorists?

Or are we going to say England "harbours" terrorists because IRA operate in that country?

Did Spain "harbour" A-Q before the train strike?


Not trying for semantics, just want to know what the baseline is.
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« Reply #174 on: June 23, 2004, 10:01:34 PM »
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Did Canada harbour A-Q before 9-11? Have any A-Q passed through Canada on the way to the US? Is that harbour?


Canada is not responsable for whom the US border guards allow into the US:rolleyes:
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« Reply #175 on: June 23, 2004, 10:10:57 PM »
Fair enuff.

For one thing though, none of the Al-Q who attacked on 9/11 came through Canada that I'm aware of. (maybe I'm wrong?)

But....

The CSIS is on top of their game when it comes to suspected terrorists and Canada. We just don't allow that nonsense.

Same with your FBI/CIA.

So while terrorists have used my country in the past as a sort of means of transit, it's much MUCH more difficult.

Again, same kind of thing with the US.

But in BOTH cases, if yours or mine's country had even the SUSPICION that there were actually a healthy terrorist community repleat with camps and a recruitment organization.... be it in Montana or Manitoba, it would be over in a matter of hours.

So while there may be the odd terrorist in the US or Canada, it is a far different thing that harbouring.

While one is never sure just exactly WHAT Bush is talking about in any real terms....

By saying "harbouring".... and by making a distinction between that and "supporting" and "protecting"... I'm gonna say that it means "Being aware of terrorists within your borders and not doing shreck all about it". Sorta.

We okay with that?
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« Reply #176 on: June 23, 2004, 10:17:35 PM »
I just wish you guys would spell it right, it's harbor. ;)
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« Reply #177 on: June 23, 2004, 10:19:00 PM »
Hhmm... yer right. It's Bush's word, and he's a yank.

I'll pull the "u"... but don't say I didn't do anything for ya.
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« Reply #178 on: June 23, 2004, 10:20:34 PM »
While yer feelin' generous how about no more "u" in color either? :)
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« Reply #179 on: June 23, 2004, 10:23:07 PM »
Harboring means  providing a safe heaven or refuge or secretly sheltering, as in criminals. This implies knowingly doing so.
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