Author Topic: The USA (Read 8227 times)

xrtoronto · « **Reply #240 on:** July 10, 2004, 10:39:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
LOL

So, how did your day go xrtoronto?

Crumpp

quiet day...bars start to get busy around midnight here, so .... I think I will go have a couple. (and some beer too)

wish me luck!

demaw1 · « **Reply #241 on:** July 10, 2004, 10:43:53 PM »

OK I WILL DO A STUPID THING THAT U HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO GET ON ME FOR.I WILL ANSWER FOR U.
ME, SAME QUESTION AS BEFORE

YOU , O THAT IS JUST SOME CRAZYS MAYBE ONLY 15 NO MORE THAN 20 PERCENT.

ME, HOW IN THE HELL DO YOU THINK IT STARTED LAST TIME ,AND EVEN IF IT ONLY 10 PERCENT HOW CAN THAT BE SO SOON AFTER THE LAST TIME.Oh i know since unlike amerika europe always admits to the wrongs of the past u will surely nip it in the bud.........BUT SO FAR EUROPE HASNT,MIGHT UPSET YOUALLS A RAB FRIENDS.

SLEEP TIGHT,YOURE WHITE THE BED BUGS WONT BITE.

disclamier,at no time are my words to be taken that i mean all europeans all the time,there are some wonderfull people and countries in europe past present and future, but in total europe has been a pain and quite ungratefull.

CavPuke · « **Reply #242 on:** July 10, 2004, 10:52:36 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Demaw1, you start off pretty well with acknowledging that the US have done wrongs, but then sadly to turn to the classic excuse of saying someone else did something worse. The fact still remains that England abolished slavery before you did and they didn't even have to fight a civil war over it. Just a hundred years ago you were still slaughtering Indians (genocide). Less than forty years ago you still had apartheid in some states, and persecuted communists and socialists. Find one European country that did worse in the last 100 years or so, except Germany and the Soviet block.

Well I hate to mention it but all you have to do is look at Serbia., or Croatia, or any of the Balkan countries. Under Tito the hatred was controlled. Once Yugoslavia broke apart, ethnic chaos ruled once again. Take a look at Germany once communism was renounced, again ethnic hatred rears it's head. How about France during the Algerian War ? I'm sure the arabs felt safe and secure:rolleyes: . How about the Scandanavian citizens that joined the SS in WWII ? As far as the genocide charge goes, yup we hosed the native americans, then again it was a cultural war waged with the ethos of the times. Was it right ? Beats me, I wasn't there. I didn't have relatives slaughtered (from either side),. It was war pure and simple that had simmered for 100 years plus. Has the US society learned from it ? Yes we have, much akin to learning from our past mistakes in regards to racism, genderism, and all the other isms that plague the world. Can we improve ? You betcha and every day we gradually do work at it , granted we still have a long way to go, but at least we're trying. May I suggest before anyone begins poking another with a stick as to the moral superiority of one's culture one should take a long look at his/her's own (myself included

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Jayclark · « **Reply #243 on:** July 10, 2004, 10:57:08 PM »

How was invasion of Iraq illegal? Enlighten me please. We had "so called facts" that was backed by the CIA. The CIA dropped the ball. In hind sight it was illegal. But with the current facts then we had enough proff to make it legal. With war there is always backlash. Say we didn't go into Iraq, Saddam could of did something really bad. Who would get the blame. The US. Why? because then we had "facts" to go into Iraq. If we didn't go. There would of been no investigation to make the "facts" wrong. So the rest of the world would of blamed us for not taken action. I don't support the war entirely. But Saddam had to get out of power. Adn no one can say other wise.

Rino · « **Reply #244 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:08:16 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
If you can explain what persecution you're talking about, perhaps I can.

I do believe that whole "Inquistion" thing started over there,
as did "pogrom". Not excusing what happened over on this
side of the pond, just answering a question.

Steve · « **Reply #245 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:09:15 PM »

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The only difference I can see between US and European values now are that the Europeans recognize the wrongs they have done in the past, while the Americans don't. US history is clean as a whistle ... no one remembers the Indians, slaves, apartheid and political persecution in US history.

How the hell do you know we don't? You don't know what you are talking about, or else you are lying.

The U.S. has its' faults. I can tell you one major difference between U.S. and people like you: You spend most of your energy on this board pointing to our flaws, or making them up when it suits you like the above statement; whereas we don't spend our time bashing your country. Gscholz, you hate america just come out and admit it. Can there possibly be any other explanation as to why you spend so much time criticizing it?

Rino · « **Reply #246 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:10:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Jayclark
How was invasion of Iraq illegal? Enlighten me please. We had "so called facts" that was backed by the CIA. The CIA dropped the ball. In hind sight it was illegal. But with the current facts then we had enough proff to make it legal. With war there is always backlash. Say we didn't go into Iraq, Saddam could of did something really bad. Who would get the blame. The US. Why? because then we had "facts" to go into Iraq. If we didn't go. There would of been no investigation to make the "facts" wrong. So the rest of the world would of blamed us for not taken action. I don't support the war entirely. But Saddam had to get out of power. Adn no one can say other wise.

I think illegal is a very strong term describing the Iraq war.
After all, the ones crying about it now did pass a UN resolution,
they just decided to interpret it differently than the Bush admin.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #247 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:31:49 PM »

Almost every conflict since 1945 is the result of European colonialism. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

demaw1 · « **Reply #248 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:35:21 PM »

A classic excuse, no it was history,real live history not the revision stuff youall like so much.I never used it as an excuse ,and i told u America has paid dearly for her mistakes I only gave one example.Genocide again? ok this is genocide...U take a people u make helpless, u build camps to keep them in,u strip them of there dignity,u dig large holes ,strip them naked,shoot them untill the barrels of the weapons melt,u build gas chambers and build huge fire pits and kill millions,u do medical experaments on little boys and girls still alive with nothing for the pain.And heres a news flash it wasnt only the germans that did this and it wasnt only jews it happened to....[This is not genocide.]...and after all that and they get there own little piece of ground for a little country,and u do all u can to hinder that country. u almost always vote against it and with the people that want to do now to them what u did then.Not genocide....u make war on a people to take there lands these people did same to others 300 yrs before.these people have weapons and fight bravely and some times with wisdom.When some of them finally band together and ingage in battle they wipe out a famous general and the 7th calv.but alas they go back to fighting among them self.When u use the word genocide for this then what word do u use for the above or what your arab friends are doing in the sudan.u see once again europe has become enlighten,your values come from yourselfs you are little gods.at least 55 percent of americans still believe in judeo/christian vaules doesnt mean we follow jesus means we know there is a higher power to answer.And when that is gone and i believe it will be as I said the whole world better fear america for then we will be like u with nothing to stop us.

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #249 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:43:20 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
America is also the result of European colonialism. Our biggest mistake yet!

Demaw1, please format your text so it is readable.

Yep I blame Europe. DETH TO EUREEKA!!!

Arlo · « **Reply #250 on:** July 10, 2004, 11:58:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
America is also the result of European colonialism. Our biggest mistake yet! .

You're just pissed cause you Vikings dragged your feet and let the French, Spanish, Dutch and English get there. Then the French, Spanish and Dutch ended up getting lazy or getting their arses kicked.

So in the end ... even though we had a parting of the ways ... it's not so surprising that Britain and the U.S. have more in common than the continental Eurobananas.

Arlo · « **Reply #251 on:** July 11, 2004, 12:10:45 AM »

And Vikings are the product of loney nights, Roman sentries and sheep.

Arlo · « **Reply #252 on:** July 11, 2004, 12:25:18 AM »

Give us your wimmins! Give us your Scandinavian wimmins or we will nuke you!

Udie · « **Reply #253 on:** July 11, 2004, 12:39:32 AM »

I didn't read the last 2 pages of this thread so something like this might have already been mentioned. It may be true that most Americans probably have never left the country. Though I'm sure many more have than some will give credit for. I've been to Mexico, Jamaca and Hawaii (ok still USA but on the others side of the ocean ya know

) I'd almost be willing to bet that I was exposed to more cultures by the time I was 5 years old than most of the people on this board have in thier entire lives. Yup you got it right here in good ole Tejas. The reason we don't have to go to other countries is not because America is so great and big you could spend a life time here (this is true but not the reason) The reason is that all the other cultures come here.

Heck, in my first grade class we had Indians (from India and American Indians), African Americans, African Africans, even a white African, A kid from Iran, I had a British teacher once in school. The list goes on and on and on and that was just one little neighborhood in Houston. In 3rd grade my best friend was Japanese and his mom brought the culture over here with them. We had to take off shoes in the house and everything and I got to eat all that cool rice candy stuff as a kid. On the other side of my block there was Johan and his little brother Englebert. His family had just moved here from Norway, they were very nice people. In highschool my best friends were from Iran and I learned a whole hell of a lot about thier culture from thier parents. To this day I still want to be able to visit Iran one day to see all the history they told about, maybe one day it will be safe enough.

Sure you can sit there in your country and say "America is a bunch of uncultured rednecks" but if you really believe that you're more ignorant than what you accuse us of being

Rednecks are just one culture in America. We have 50 states and each have thier own cultures and each have imigrants who have brought thier cultures with them and assimilated into ours. Some states have many more than one type of culture and some states share cultures with others states. You should see the looks I get in California or New York when I say "y'all"

Like wise you should see the look a Yankee gets here in Texas when they start talking with a thick New York or Mass. accent. That's part of what makes this country so great it's the "melting pot". **** man I can drive 15 minutes from my apartment here in N. Austin and go to towns where people still speak German (Edbert will back me up on this) Where they still play oompah music (you know that German music with the Tuba and stuff like that

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Europe, you think you have a unique history that's not part of America's history? Well guess what? IT IS AMERICA'S HISTORY and we were taught it in school, at least the schools I went to. How many of you there in England got American history or Texas history or New York history or civil war history in school?

LOL some of you have never even been here and you think you know what makes up my country. That's just being as ignorant and bigotted as you claim Americans are. But hey if you want to live your lives being ignorant, fine by me. And dont' think I'm talking about anybody in particular here, I don't know who of you have been here or not.

funny and enlightening thread....

demaw1 · « **Reply #254 on:** July 11, 2004, 01:26:56 AM »

G.Scholz

My text at 9;35 pm was in response to you text at 8;33 pm.
It mostly respons to your claim of amercian genocide. if you read yours than mine it will help.sorry no format thought i had to give up computer, was in hurry.
my text at 8;43 not worth explaining.

Excluding the americans that have bought in to the european system of equilty and one world goverment,most of the rest of us are tired of being stabbed in the back by europe a europe that would not exist were it not for us... yes us not aliens or british or sea monsters not anyone but us.We do not say u have to agree with us, just leave us alone when we fell we must do something,dont do things like blame us for santions that supposely were killing innocent children in iraq when the un and some in europe were stealling billions of dollars lining your own pockets, that was suppose to go to the children.Instead of all the lies your media puts out about us just say nothing.You owe us that. I think that is it in a nutshell.