Author Topic: My take on female leadership (Read 3743 times)

midnight Target · « **Reply #105 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:51:37 PM »

Quixtar is Amway!

storch · « **Reply #106 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:00:04 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Quixtar is Amway!

Now here's a specimen with a firm grasp of the obvious

It sure is, it's an offshoot from Amway. I had previuosly stated that.

Amway stands for the American Way so no doubt you'll have nothing other than marvelous things to say. don't mind me though, I'm laughing all the way to the bank.

lazs2 · « **Reply #107 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:00:15 PM »

I have been fortunate enough to have avoided having a female boss my entire working career... I have worked with very few( maybe three) women in my life and consider that to also be fortunate.

I would like to retire early so it appears that my luck may hold.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #108 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:19:44 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
Now here's a specimen with a firm grasp of the obvious

It sure is, it's an offshoot from Amway. I had previuosly stated that.

Amway stands for the American Way so no doubt you'll have nothing other than marvelous things to say. don't mind me though, I'm laughing all the way to the bank.

Sure you are, while thousands are losing their shirts. It's nothing but a juiced up pyramid.

Lizking · « **Reply #109 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:26:21 PM »

You guys that can't handle working with women must not do well socially with them either. I have found it way easy to manipulate women co-workers and bosses BECAUSE they are women.

There is a term for it:

Homo-Social

you simply can't deal with women, so you prefer the company of men. No sexual connotations.

Steve · « **Reply #110 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:26:35 PM »

I've had female bosses. I will never work for a female again and will avoid working with them if at all possible. They are more capable, imho, of creating problems/scheming than any man I've ever worked with. Interacting with them as a matter of daily business is fine, but not as a long term situation. As a small business owner, I will close my doors before hiring a woman.

Steve · « **Reply #111 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:28:46 PM »

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I have found it way easy to manipulate women co-workers and bosses BECAUSE they are women.

I don't want to manipulate anyone.
I want to work w/ people who will speak their true mind and keep their word. Not all men do this, but the women I've worked w/ were either deceitful, incompetent, manipulative of the system as a woman, or some combination thereof... no thank you.

Lizking · « **Reply #112 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:33:00 PM »

Well, Bud, I hate to tell you, but leadership IS manipulating people. If you can manipulate them to do what you want
because they want to, then you are a great leader.

storch · « **Reply #113 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:38:29 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
Sure you are, while thousands are losing their shirts. It's nothing but a juiced up pyramid.

you are so narrow minded that you could peer through a knot hole with both eyes simultaneously. You are the epitome of imbecillity.

How could you possibly make such a statement without knowing any of the facts or details?

We started our business in 1986

We sponsored willing adults. No firearms were involved.

Some remain and are making very good money. Some remain because they appreciate the simplicity of logging on to a website and making all the purchases necessary to run their domiciles. Some fell by the wayside. The ones that quit by the very nature of the definition lost nothing but $US 154.00 for a start up kit.

Nice troll. I'm still laughing all the way to the bank. When we die and are in Heaven our kids will inherit this cash making machine that we assembled in ten year's time. I haven't flung a ring since 1995!!!!! how was work today? look at the times for my many posts!!!!! I don't have a job!!!! I don't have a boss!!!! I'm unemployable!!!!! I don't have to suck up to anyone!!!!! I can be totally UNPC!!!!! My wife loves it when I pipe the girl in the office, its her!!!!!! She's next to me laughing at your silly self. Thanks for the comic relief. Don't worry Friday's coming.

storch · « **Reply #114 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:50:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Lizking
Well, Bud, I hate to tell you, but leadership IS manipulating people. If you can manipulate them to do what you want
because they want to, then you are a great leader.

BZZZZZZZZ wrong answer. "A person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still". You may be in a position to impose your will on others due to your authority over them but that isn't true leadership.

In order for one to be a leader one must first have been a keen follower.

People will follow you if they respect you and trust in your abilities to accomplish the task at hand. It helps tremendously if they are aware that if they can't accomplish a certain task that you are quite willing and capable to step in and accomplish it yourself while doing it better.

The more successful you become the more important it is that you develope an esprit de corps so that the best and brightest will want to join the team.

The people in your organization must know that you truly and deeply care for them. You must be at their service as much as they are at yours.

Anything less and you are a petty despot.

Steve · « **Reply #115 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:53:22 PM »

TY for picking that one up, Storch. I hope Lizking never supervises people. He may very well be doing so now, and be privately resented for his management style.

sorry Lizking, manipulating people is not leadership... at least not good leadership.

Lizking · « **Reply #116 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:00:11 PM »

I do, and have, and do it quite well. The key is, no one ever feels like they are being manipulated. I would venture that if you are not the one doing the manipulation, it is your employees who are manipulating YOU.

Steve · « **Reply #117 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:26:13 PM »

Merriam's definition: to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage.

Like I said, no thanks.

Lizking · « **Reply #118 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:31:10 PM »

Maybe you are focusing too much on the latter 2 definitions instead of the former.

Leadership is the art of influencing of others to do what you want. The best, and truest from of influence is manipulation, and it involves nothing decitful, unethical, or dishonest.

Steve · « **Reply #119 on:** July 12, 2004, 07:35:16 PM »

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and truest from of influence is manipulation, and it involves nothing decitful, unethical, or dishonest.

Well maybe here lies our disagreement because to me manipulation means: unfair, or insidious means especially to one's own advantage.

I don't lead that way. FWIW I own 2 small businesses and both are profitable so I must be doing something right, if not perfectly.