My take on female leadership

[Lizking]

Are you a woman?

[storch]

Originally posted by QBlog
Hi. New here. Noticed that a post on my blog had been quoted here so I thought I'd toss in a couple of comments.

Storch, you mention Bonus Checks. Those are virtually worthless. Ask for a copy of a Schedule C tax return. This shows a profit/loss and is a better  indication of Net income. A copy of a check means nothing without showing what was spent to get that check.

 

By Quixtar's own admission (see my linked post) on the SA-4400, many can expect a loss in the first few years of operation, which is different than a zero gain in one year. In fact, there are many tax cases pointing out that many IBOs generally lose money year after year so that their business doesn't even qualify for tax write-offs.

 

The truth of that statement is debatable. You wouldn't be making any generalized income claims would you? Did you get Ken McDonald's recent email reminding all IBOs of the rules? Actually, there is compelling evidence that even those at the Diamond level must work extremely hard AND supplement their Quixtar bonuse money with Motivational (aka Tool money) in order to come close to the lifestyle you describe.

By the way, what group are you in? If you've already revealed that then I apologize for missing it. Also, I should let you know that I'm forwarding a copy of your income comments to the Quixtar Rules Administration at qbcr.department@quixtar.com . There is no malice intended at all but I feel I should let you know exactly what I'm doing and I'm sure that if you're in compliance you have nothing to worry about.

We were in the Yeager organization but have lost contact with most of our upline.
fire away we sell no motivational materials of any sort.  in fact they created such a rift within the organization that they were the cause of us stepping back from active participation.  Never did really see the value of the BSMs.  It seems that people who were going to forge ahead did so inspite of the odds irrespective of challenges and without too much external stimuli.  with regard to the debatability of that statement sure it's debatable.  I would challenge you to sponsor 15 groups and aid them to attain the 25% bonus level then report those results on your site.   We managed to attain an emeraldship but sadly that has dropped to one consistently qualifing direct distributorship and two legs that qualify silver.  We are satisfied with that income presently and consider it very rewarding for a business that we have not actively worked in nine years.  you sound like some of the people we actively avoided contact with.  Please, do tell us about your experiences.  I wait with bated breath for your next post.

[Silat]

Originally posted by QBlog
Hi. New here. Noticed that a post on my blog had been quoted here so I thought I'd toss in a couple of comments.

Thanks for coming by Qblog.
I used your text and apologise for not acknowledging where it came from.
But be prepared. Now you are going to be called a non believer or one of those that cant cut the AMWAY mustard:)

[QBlog]

 I would challenge you to sponsor 15 groups and aid them to attain the 25% bonus level then report those results on your site.

I challenge you to produce a copy of your 1099 and your Schedule C for the past 10 years.

[QBlog]

Originally posted by Silat

Originally posted by QBlog
Hi. New here. Noticed that a post on my blog had been quoted here so I thought I'd toss in a couple of comments.

Thanks for coming by Qblog.
I used your text and apologise for not acknowledging where it came from.
But be prepared. Now you are going to be called a non believer or one of those that cant cut the AMWAY mustard:)

Not to worry. I have skin thicker than an elephant's. I'm only interested in the facts and so far, the facts about Quixtar are unimpressive at best and horrifying at worst.

I've been researching, studying, examining and discussing this business for nearly two years now and have met with my fair share of negativity. The  problem is that virtually NOBODY can cut the AmQuix Mustard. Don't believe me, look at their OWN STATISTICS!

[Pongo]

Isnt quixtar like scientology for red necks?
Lets see some real cross posting now!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Pongo
Isnt quixtar like scientology for red necks?
Lets see some real cross posting now!

Grabbing the popcorn. This should be good.

[storch]

Originally posted by QBlog
Not to worry. I have skin thicker than an elephant's. I'm only interested in the facts and so far, the facts about Quixtar are unimpressive at best and horrifying at worst.

I've been researching, studying, examining and discussing this business for nearly two years now and have met with my fair share of negativity. The  problem is that virtually NOBODY can cut the AmQuix Mustard. Don't believe me, look at their OWN STATISTICS!

right!!!

I'm going to post my tax returns to convince you.  I don't care what you do or don't believe.  

I'm not interested in sponsoring anyone at this time and am quite satisfied with our current very stable organization.  

Clearly you can see that in the posts prior to yours.  At no time did I offer to extend help to others, I only offered my perspective.  

You have called me a liar.  

If your skin is thick then mine is armor.  

Any of the people who read my posts whether they like or dislike me will attest to that.  

Ask Amway to tell you who I am.  You have all the information you need to give me a phone call.  

I really love the "researcher and study" bunch.  If you had taken a fraction of those two research years and invested them in the lives of other people that you had soberly and with sincere intent set about to help, and actually helped them solve a problem, provided they were willing to work perhaps you would have seen more positive results.  

perhaps you are a pedantic type of person and no one wants to be around you.  

Some folks have "it" and some don't.  "it" is unlearnable "it" is innate and not fairly or evenly distributed.  seemingly those that have "it" are either accepted because of "it" by some who see "it" and admire "it" and successfully ride the surge "it" inevitably draws with "it".  Others are envious of "it" and seek to destroy "it" by whatever means possible.  

You seem to be a very well organized fellow with considerable organizational skill.  perhaps you could be very successful in certain types of organizations.  

Please forgive me for I do not wish to offend though I know one could easily be offended by my previous words.  I'm very direct, I speak frankly, I don't hide my agenda and I don't play games when conducting business.  This manner has earned me great loyalty as well as great enmity.  I'm sure you can see that.  

You made a threat, carry through with it.  when you have your results, post them here for all to see.  

I'm sorry that Amway was unsuccessful for you.  Be comforted in the knowledge that very few attain the level of direct distributor.  

Any attempt to accomplish worthwhile things is somehow immediately beset by challenges.  Success is armorplated in any endeavor.  

I will salute your effort and I will encourage you to keep trying, but in another venue.  

For now I believe I'll be done responding to your posts.  I don't see the value of continuing this argument.  we can however argue about other topics.

 After all I do have all day.

Regards

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Sure you are, while thousands are losing their shirts. It's nothing but a juiced up pyramid.

No kidding. It's an open pyramid where those that enter into it late just won't make the money. Just a con game.

[storch]

Originally posted by SaburoS
No kidding. It's an open pyramid where those that enter into it late just won't make the money. Just a con game.

Let's see.  Amway started in 1959.  we started in 1986.  does that mean that I've lost money!!!!! oh my!!!!!  Why not just say it's not for me thanks.  No one wants someone who does want to succeed.  I chase people like you away.

[QBlog]

Originally posted by storch
right!!!

I'm going to post my tax returns to convince you.  I don't care what you do or don't believe.  

Classic response. You offer me a challenge but refuse to back up your own claims of success. I have absolutely nothing to gain or lose if anyone likes or hates Quixtar/Amway. I just look at the facts. You, however, have made claims about the income potential of the business and have a specific interest in the health of that business.

I did not ask for your personal returns, I asked for your BUSINESS info. Black your your name if you want. I don't care. I just want you to prove  that Quixtar/Amway is providing the level of PROFIT that you claim. If it is, then a Schedule C and 1099 will clearly demonstrate this. If not then why make such claims?

Originally posted by storch
You have called me a liar.

 
Where did I call you a liar? I'm just asking for proof. If I claim that I am the president of GE wouldn't a request for proof be reasonable? If you fabricate accusations from simple questions and information requests then you may not be in such a great position to be making the income claims you're making.

Originally posted by storch
You have called me a liar.  I really love the "researcher and study" bunch.  If you had taken a fraction of those two research years and invested them in the lives of other people that you had soberly and with sincere intent set about to help, and actually helped them solve a problem, provided they were willing to work perhaps you would have seen more positive results.  

See, now you're making assumptions about me. We all know what assuming does don't we?

Originally posted by storch
You made a threat, carry through with it.  when you have your results, post them here for all to see.  

If saying that I'm reporting your income claims to Quixtar is a threat, then yes, I did. However, I beg to differ. I've reported others for rule violations in the past and I'll continue to do so in the future. I felt it was incumbent upon me to let you know what I was doing. I don't see that as a threat in the least. I see it as informing. If you feel your income claims fall squarely within Quixtar's rules then there's nothing to worry about.

I'm sorry to hear you won't post about Quixtar any more. I wish you the best in your business.

[QBlog]

Originally posted by storch
Let's see.  Amway started in 1959.  we started in 1986.  does that mean that I've lost money!!!!! oh my!!!!!  Why not just say it's not for me thanks.  No one wants someone who does want to succeed.  I chase people like you away.

How much have you made? You claim you show a profit, can you prove it? Shedule C and 1099 please.


Also, just curious but did you sign the BSMAA? And you receive absolutely NO TOOL MONEY? Do you know Walter Bass?

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by storch
Let's see.  Amway started in 1959.  we started in 1986.  does that mean that I've lost money!!!!! oh my!!!!!  Why not just say it's not for me thanks.  No one wants someone who does want to succeed.  I chase people like you away.

You mean people that aren't STUPID and GULLIBLE to fall for such a plan?
How many people does a 'recruiter'/sponsor/whatever tell a potential client that he/she has to recruit in order to make money and actually stop 'recruiting'?

[SaburoS]

IIRC, two individuals tried to recruit me into the system. One was new and the other was his sponsor. When they told me all I had to do for "financial freedom' was to recruit 6, they each would only need to recruit 4, each of those 4 would only need to recruit 2.
Is it the same basic speech? The numbers still similar?

[SaburoS]

6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6x6!!!