Author Topic: My take on female leadership (Read 3733 times)

B17Skull12 · « **Reply #150 on:** July 13, 2004, 01:19:56 AM »

time to get the lawn chair and a beer/soda and maybe and sammich everything this is going to get good.

Flossy · « **Reply #151 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:09:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Athena3
Sorry this got so long, but sometimes I think it's valuable for you all to realize that there are some women around here

Great post, Athena!

I too have been reading this thread, and so far sitting on my hands. What a load of sexist crap!

I can't believe there are still people around who have such old-fashioned ideas about women and their role in life.

I've had my turn at 'leadership' and although I may not have been as great a leader as others before me (or since!

) I did the job to the best of my ability and held on to it for the full term, supported by a very strong team and excellent XO. In the end, though, a leader is only as good as the team they lead; I was lucky in having a great team and the mutual respect of each and every member. My hair's a lot greyer now, but it was a great experience and I'm glad I was given the opportunity.

NUKE · « **Reply #152 on:** July 13, 2004, 02:36:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Flossy
Great post, Athena! I too have been reading this thread, and so far sitting on my hands.

Flossy, that's because you are too dern nice!

Silat · « **Reply #153 on:** July 13, 2004, 04:20:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Flossy
Great post, Athena! I too have been reading this thread, and so far sitting on my hands. What a load of sexist crap! I can't believe there are still people around who have such old-fashioned ideas about women and their role in life.

Flo my dear friend. You know that I in no way condone or believe any of the sexist BS that has been spouted by the some of the poor examples of men in this thread. I passed some of the comments on to my to daughters and they are disgusted but not surprised that men like these still exist in this country.

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AVRO1 · « **Reply #154 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:05:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Flossy
What a load of sexist crap! I can't believe there are still people around who have such old-fashioned ideas about women and their role in life.

The conservatives often are like that.
They resist change because they are trully scared little girls.

Their is racism still so why not sexism.
Maybe it's time for a final solution...

...You know send them all to an island together. After a while they will be bored without any women around and they will beg to come back. They should be less sexist then, hopefully.

Flossy · « **Reply #155 on:** July 13, 2004, 06:23:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Silat
Flo my dear friend. You know that I in no way condone or believe any of the sexist BS that has been spouted by the some of the poor examples of men in this thread. I passed some of the comments on to my to daughters and they are disgusted but not surprised that men like these still exist in this country.

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I know, Silat.....

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storch · « **Reply #156 on:** July 13, 2004, 07:14:52 AM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
You mean people that aren't STUPID and GULLIBLE to fall for such a plan?
How many people does a 'recruiter'/sponsor/whatever tell a potential client that he/she has to recruit in order to make money and actually stop 'recruiting'?

Like I said I really didn't have time for combatative people. you're just much too smart for me. I only want mindless morons everyone loves morons businesses only succeed when morons are involved. smart people are highly overrated. you should go and hang out with that other smart person Qblob. How was work today?? Smart guy!!!

Anyway I'm done responding to any further questions about Amway. The whole tangent started responding to that sophmoric boy grunherz which I dislike tremendously anyway. I'll repeat it again. I'm not sponsoring anyone new. I have no interest in involving myself with the huge amount of work and expense it takes to help someone develope an organization. I certainly wouldn't even spend 5 minutes of my time with someone like saburo, pongo, silat, Grunfarz or Qblob so continue the "discussion" on your own.

midnight Target · « **Reply #157 on:** July 13, 2004, 09:29:14 AM »

Went to an Amway meeting back in the 80's. Even then they were using a different name to juice up the pyramid. Something like "Life Blasters" or "Goal Tenders" or "Scum-sucking lying SOB's"... I forget.

I was suckered into the meeting by my ex-wife's freaking brother! "Come to my house I got something to show you."

So I'm sitting there patiently listening until he says.. "Often people with educations are the worst at this. They think too much." That's when I walked out.

From the 60 Minutes Amway Story of 1982-

WALLACE:
[voice over] His wife Birdie idolizes him. I read back to her something that she had said about her husband. [Wallace quotes her] "He's the greatest person I've ever known. When I look at him", you said "I see JESUS. I want you to listen to him. I know that you'll see Jesus too."

[on-camera, to Birdie] Do you really feel that way about your husband?

BIRDIE YAGER:
Uh, huh.

WALLACE:
When you see him, you see. . .

BIRDIE:
I see what Jesus stood for. What he beLIEVED in. His giving and loving spirit.

lazs2 · « **Reply #158 on:** July 13, 2004, 11:37:28 AM »

"You guys that can't handle working with women must not do well socially with them either. I have found it way easy to manipulate women co-workers and bosses BECAUSE they are women.

There is a term for it:

Homo-Social

you simply can't deal with women, so you prefer the company of men. No sexual connotations."

I believe that liz has a pretty good grasp on it. While I have allways been considered a good leader of men... I have allways failed misserably with women employees. I try to treat them the same way as I do the men and it creates problems.

I will admit that I have no interest in learning the nuances of leading or being led by women.

There is also some truth to the fact that I do not "deal with women" well on a social level... Women are attracted to my honesty but then they are repeled by ..... my honesty.

More than one woman has said that I am the convertable of men. Every woman should have one for a summer but that they aren't very practical for the long run. This is probly a fair assesment. I love women but have not interest in understanding or manipulating them.... no real need either.

lazs

Athena3 · « **Reply #159 on:** July 13, 2004, 11:58:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Flossy
Great post, Athena!

Thanks Flossy, I appreciate it!

I have to sit here and wonder from what planet some of you are getting the women you work with! I may not be very old, but i've had 8 jobs, all working primarily with women and only on one job did they ever 'group off' against me and never was stuff not done. And I don't think that one time should count since I was 20, new at the job and they were in their 40's and had been doing the job for 15 years. Of course they knew the job better, and it only got personal once (obviously because I was cute and 20 and one of the 40-year-olds was single and jealous). And I've been a leader once as well doing a 6 day a week, 14 hour a day job for a summer and I handled myself pretty well, especially considering the majority of my staff were late high school/early college girls. Not to introduce a new element to this, but how many of these cases were women holding degrees of masters and above? My theory is the more educated you are as a female, the less likely you are to do that kind of stuff. There are, of course, exceptions both ways. I remember high school being a lot like the situation you described, but college being less so (we didn't have the greek culture on our campus) and most adult women I know, especially educated and/or religious would never act like that. Makes me wonder a heck of a lot. But I'll test your theory, I have a committee meeting of Air Force wives on thursday. We'll see what happens.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #160 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:54:12 PM »

Storch dislikes me tremendously!

And to think up to this moment I wasnt having such a great day...

Silat · « **Reply #161 on:** July 13, 2004, 12:55:03 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
I certainly wouldn't even spend 5 minutes of my time with someone like saburo, pongo, silat, Grunfarz or Qblob so continue the "discussion" on your own.

Wow that is some loving christian attitude you have there. I didnt say anything to warrant that response from you . But I guess its your loss.
IM 53 been retired for 10 years. All without Amway.

rogwar · « **Reply #162 on:** July 13, 2004, 01:02:00 PM »

Women that are great leaders also tend to have the capability to pee pee in the high weeds without discomfort.

Steve · « **Reply #163 on:** July 13, 2004, 01:04:45 PM »

"What a load of sexist crap! I can't believe there are still people around who have such old-fashioned ideas about women and their role in life."

Actually, when I got out of college I was gung ho on all sorts of things like racial and sexual equality. I worked w/ hired people regardless of creed or gender. My professional experience in working w/ women and certain races has led me to my current attitude. Call my ideas old fashioned if you like, but they were changed to what they are by the behavior of women. Blame the women I've met in life, if you really need to point a finger.

SaburoS · « **Reply #164 on:** July 13, 2004, 01:05:28 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
Like I said I really didn't have time for combatative people. you're just much too smart for me. I only want mindless morons everyone loves morons businesses only succeed when morons are involved. smart people are highly overrated. you should go and hang out with that other smart person Qblob. How was work today?? Smart guy!!!

Anyway I'm done responding to any further questions about Amway. The whole tangent started responding to that sophmoric boy grunherz which I dislike tremendously anyway. I'll repeat it again. I'm not sponsoring anyone new. I have no interest in involving myself with the huge amount of work and expense it takes to help someone develope an organization. I certainly wouldn't even spend 5 minutes of my time with someone like saburo, pongo, silat, Grunfarz or Qblob so continue the "discussion" on your own.

Doesn't surprise me that you'd quit this discussion when some facts are asked of it. You know it's a basically dishonest organization. It's an open pyramid with no ending/closure. Eventually you run out of people that 'fall' for the con.
BTW, you or any 'recruiter' will gladly take the start-up money from anyone as that's the main goal. No one gives up money just to fail.
There are enough gullible people out there that some organizations will apparently 'suceed', trouble is that eventually they decline and fail. Just give it time.
Keep deluding yourself.