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« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2004, 07:08:34 PM »
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Well from my understanding, once you've signed up and are part of the grander military. You cease to think as an individual. You are a serial number, government issue or GI. What the heck does a killing machine need political affiliations for. You do what you are told not to think on your own unless told to by your superiors. From a pure logical point of view, this view point is not dirrerent then Kerry going and acting on his own while still being part of the Navy (though he was not in active service at the time). So let me ask you, if Kerry wins, should I be able to derive that these two Marines then do not support Kerry and thus do not support their commander in chief or perhaps they dont support Kerry but still serve him since he would be sworn in as their CIC as they have sworn to obey and serve his orders. Until someone has signed up, hes his own person but after the fact, hes just gov equipment. Am I wrong?


nevermind gunslinger said it better. outphrased by a Marine. nobody tell the cno. :)

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« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2004, 07:12:18 PM »
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What the heck does a killing machine need political affiliations for.


Yes, ..slinger showed me that military people have political affiliations as well as us civilians when not on duty.

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« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2004, 07:32:56 PM »
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Thats pretty pathetic. If I ever met Bush or Kerry, I'd probably ask them a buncha questions. To say that you would slug someone if you ever met them? You make me laugh and you have lost credability with me. You need to think about what you said because to me you sound like a bitter individual who makes casual threats to people you do not know or have ever even met.


Oh for Christ's Sake. One I don't care if I lose credability with anyone on this board, I don't know you and you don't know me. If you are from Poland like your profile says you are, I will say once again, why don't you euro's stay out of our politics. The military gets F%cked by Dumb-o-crat administrations so alot of our military feel contempt towards them.  My statement about slugging him was not a threat towards someone i don't know but a metaphor for the contemp I feel towards The Communist oops I mean democratic party in our country and their Hurman Munster look alike presidential canidate. Maybe I am a bitter individual but I suffered my first 8 years in the Navy under the Clinton regime whose policies cut our funding and readiness down so far that we were in poor shape without parts or manpower to keep our equipment up to snuff. Also whose policies towards terrorists allowed us to be attacked twice in 3 times in two years (Cole, African Embassies, WTC) and a few other times before that.  By the way I loved Poland when I had a port visit in Gydinia. Your women are EASY.

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« Reply #63 on: July 31, 2004, 07:40:41 PM »
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My statement about slugging him was not a threat towards someone i don't know but a metaphor


Of course, thats why I deleted my post after reading it again. Realized that you must have meant it in figurative meaning. Or as they say, just another metaphor. Doubted that you would actually attack a political figure in a Wendy's restaurant.

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« Reply #64 on: July 31, 2004, 07:50:21 PM »
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Doubted that you would actually attack a political figure in a Wendy's restaurant.


Kerry is lucky it wasnt a Burger KIng.... :D

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« Reply #65 on: July 31, 2004, 08:01:21 PM »
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I'm glad that both sides are discussing this...this the most important issue to hit US politics since the Declaration of Independence.


The statement above is one of most assnine statements uttered on this board in a long time.   Casting an insult on a discussion that doesn't involve him or his sadly pathetic little country, and having to stretch so far to try and figure out something really stupid to say is just sad.

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« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2004, 08:35:25 PM »
Wow, that was a little extreme there GI Joe.

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« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2004, 09:00:11 PM »
Watch out or he will use his Kung-Fu grip on yer ass.

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« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2004, 11:23:40 PM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Ceratinly the French military never gave its opinion about France's political fortunes..  

Thankfully these guys did...



And maybe, just maybe the Marines were being polite and respectful. But wait,  you French wouldnt understand that...

Just for chits and giggles, imagine your response if those Marines HAD actually told Mr Ketchup to, uhhm, "shove it."  You know you would be one of the first to bash them for being mindless brainwashed republiclown right wing crazies...


Go ahead, have your lower opinion of the US combat tropps...



Stupid frog...


Quoted simply so the frog can see this post and maybe understand why he's able to post here in the first place and it not speaking german to this day. I was going to post pictures of another army marching down that street (about 4 years earlier), or another of a certain man with a funny mustache posing in front of the eiffel tower but I'm too tired and I'll probably be on his ignore list too.

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« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2004, 11:25:47 PM »
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yea most of the guys I work w/ as well stand behind bush....even the ones that spent the last year in Iraq.  People in the military realize what kerry is and what he was.  Everyone of us have worked with his type of officer.

Why do you think they were so adamant about not counting the military votes in Floriduh in 2000? I almost puked when they said in the DNC speeches that crap about counting every vote. They sicken me.

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« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2004, 11:32:19 PM »
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Ceratinly the French military never gave its opinion about France's political fortunes..  

Thankfully these guys did...



And maybe, just maybe the Marines were being polite and respectful. But wait,  you French wouldnt understand that...

Just for chits and giggles, imagine your response if those Marines HAD actually told Mr Ketchup to, uhhm, "shove it."  You know you would be one of the first to bash them for being mindless brainwashed republiclown right wing crazies...


Go ahead, have your lower opinion of the US combat tropps...



Stupid frog...


Weren't those soldiers US Army? Figured our Marines had their hands a bit full fighting in the Pacific theatre against the Japanese.
I seem to recall the French had a role in helping us against the British with our War of Independence. My how we want to use our selective memory to suit our argument. Quite frankly, without the French, we might not of been around to help save them in WWII. Hypocritical, no? What would you call it then if not?
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« Reply #71 on: July 31, 2004, 11:35:24 PM »
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
yea most of the guys I work w/ as well stand behind bush....even the ones that spent the last year in Iraq.  People in the military realize what kerry is and what he was.  Everyone of us have worked with his type of officer.


Your being in the Marines, how would you treat Kerry today if you met him? You're in uniform representing the US. Do you act the professional you were trained for and treat him with professional courtesy? Or do you let him have it and tell him how you really feel?
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« Reply #72 on: August 01, 2004, 12:03:21 AM »
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Ok ..slinger, thats a fair explanation. I've never been in the military so what the hell do I know.

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Obviously very little. But don't let that stop you from having an opinion. Certainly doesn't stop many others from having one.
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« Reply #73 on: August 01, 2004, 12:08:08 AM »
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They sicken me.


You catch kerry spouting out during his convention speech that we need a "strong military"?  That about sickened me.  What a freaking hypocrite!  He of all people saying that, after his abismal record voting against the military, against every weapons system, against increasing military pay so the soldiers dont need food stamps.

Lets look at the congressional voting record of the man now saying we need a strong military:

1) In 1996 - Introduced Bill to slash Defense Department Funding by $6.5 Billion.

2) In 1995 - Voted to freeze Defense spending for 7 years, slashing over $34 billion from Defense.

3) Fiscal 1996 Budget Resolution - Defense Freeze. "Harkin, D-Iowa, amendment to freeze defense spending for the next seven years and transfer the $34.8 billion in savings to education and job training."

4) In 1993 - Introduced plan to cut numerous Defense programs, including:
• Cut the number of Navy submarines and their crews.
• Reduce the number of light infantry units down to one.
• Reduce tactical fighter wings in the Air Force.
• Terminate the Navy's coastal mine-hunting ship program.
• Force the retirement of no less than 60,000 members of the Armed Forces in one year.

5) Has voted repeatedly to cut Defense spending, including:
• In 1993, voted against increased Defense spending for Military Pay Raise. Kerry voted to kill an increase in military pay over five years.
• In 1992, voted to cut $6 billion from Defense.
• In 1991, voted to slash over $3 Billion from Defense. Shift money to social programs.
• In 1991, voted to cut defense spending by 2%
• Voted repeatedly to cut or eliminate funding for B-2.
• Voted repeatedly against Missile Defense - Weapons Kerry sought to phase out were vital in Iraq . "Kerry supported cancellation of a host of weapons systems that have become the basis of US military might-the high-tech munitions and delivery systems on display to the world as they leveled the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein in a matter of weeks." (Brian C. Mooney, "Taking One Prize, Then A Bigger One, "The Boston Globe, 6/19/03)
• Voted repeatedly against military hardware he felt we no longer need since the "cold war" is past. The money would be better spent on "social" programs. These weapons are now the core of our military power. (F-16 Fighting Falcons, B-1Bs B-2As F-15 and F-16s, M1 Abrams, Patriot Missile, AH-64 Apache Helicopter, Tomahawk Cruise Missile, Aegis Air-Defense Cruiser)

6) During 1980s Kerry and Michael Dukakis joined forces with liberal group dedicated to slashing Defense. Kerry sat on the board of "Jobs with Peace Campaign," which sought to "develop public support for cutting the defense budget . . ." ("Pentagon Demonstrators Call For Home-Building, Not Bombs," The Associated Press, 6/3/88)

7) While running for Congress in 1972, Kerry promised to cut Defense Spending. "On what he'll do if he's elected to Congress, "Kerry said he would ' bring a different kind of message to the President. "He said he would, "Vote against military appropriations." ("Candidate's for Congress Capture Campus in Andover," Lawrence [MA] Eagle-Tribune, 4/21/72)

Article regarding Kerrys voting record towards military

How anyone can vote for such a person amazes me.  He says things that are not just wrong, they are blatant lies.  Huge hypocrite.  

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« Reply #74 on: August 01, 2004, 12:10:05 AM »
GI JOE TO TEH RESCUE!