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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2004, 03:39:45 PM »
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Getting back to the subject..

I think that it's not fair that certain countries can produce cheap power(nuclear) and dictate that other nations(usually impoverished countries) cannot have this technology..

Level the playing feild...How about NO countries use nuclear power until this planet gets it's act together?...

Wait..It's too late for that,will never happen.

It's too late to dictate who can't have reactors as well.


Thats not a valid argument. Even Croatia has a nuclear power plant but there are no global concerns on us producing nuclear weapons. The problem in Iran is not that they are producing plant for power, rather that they are producing the type of plant and acting in  a suspicious manner as if they intend to produce nuclear weapons.

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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2004, 03:48:09 PM »
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It's too late to dictate who can't have reactors as well.


No it isn't. Truth be told, we'd willingly contract to build, oversee and/or operate nuclear powerplants in their countries/regions. Non-proliferation of nuclear weapons or the technology to build them (supported and enforced by the United Nations) is nothing new. Some seem to think so, however.

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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2004, 04:02:59 PM »
Exactly..Why can't we build them abroad and monitor them?
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2004, 04:08:17 PM »
Because they won't allow it?

Try that tactic with Iran. Might want to study Farsi so you understand when they say Ӂ. ǡ .
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2004, 11:24:15 PM »
Gosh Grun and NUKE, to scared to answer a little question.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2004, 11:52:19 PM »
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Gosh Grun and NUKE, to scared to answer a little question.  :rolleyes:


What question? Your stupid mobile WMD factories question?

Of course they are not ready to use weapons - they are factories.  

Thats the obvious answer to you question, right?

Now go ahead, spring your little trap!  Go!  You go girl!

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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2004, 11:59:50 PM »
Now it's my turn to ask a question!

Is your post where you say that the USA couldnt defeat the North Korean Army and where you compared a US fight against NK to the futile Zulu attack on the Brits at Rorkes Drift proof that you are retardred or proof that you are insane?

Maybe thats a bit harsh, but damn it was an unbelivably stupid thing you said Thrawn... :)
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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2004, 12:40:31 AM »
Nah, it just means that I didn't explain my crappy analogy well enough.


"Now go ahead, spring your little trap! Go! You go girl!"


"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/interview5.html


Bush called the possible mobile weapons labs, weapons of mass destruction, which are are not.  This is a lie.


Now I imagine you might be thing, "Yes Thrawn, you tard, but lying also has to be done with intent.  Perhaps Bush didn't know they weren't WMD."

Well, I guess this is possible.  But you and I (and I imagine NUKE as well) knows they aren't, and Bush is the President of US with access to some of the best minds in the world to advise him.  He alsoo brought the US to war (which resulted in the deaths of thousands, if not tens of thousands of people) primarily on WMD arguement.  God forbid that he was such a moronic incompetant that he did this without actually knowing what they are.


So it seems to me that there are two choices, liar or moronic incompetant.


PS:  Hortlund, it doesn't suprise me at all that you don't know when you are actually answering a question and when you are evading it.  No, your statement doesn't answer my question at all.  But just FYI, the possible biological weapons labs turned out to be nothing more than hydrogen producing plants for the use in weather ballons for artillary purposes.

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« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2004, 12:54:03 AM »
Pretty weak but I'm happy if you're happy and I'm happy for you no longer having to hold that info back. I imagine it's like the same releif we all have when we get to the bathroom after a long car ride. :)

Anyway, care to explain your analogy better Thrawn, we have the time to do it now.

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« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2004, 01:00:18 AM »
Bombing the Nuclear facilities in Iran isn't an option and can't be compared as an option like Israel's strike.

For the simple reasons that Iran's nuclear programe development is far to advanced and to spread out. You couldn't be sure that you'd even destroyed 50% of it. But most of all any strikes now would cause a massive radiation leak that depending on the wind course might even end up in the US.

Funny that Iraq gets so much attention when it's neighbour is busy enriching Uranium. Anyone able to work that one out? LOL



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« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2004, 01:05:28 AM »
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Bombing the Nuclear facilities in Iran isn't an option and can't be compared as an option like Israel's strike.

For the simple reasons that Iran's nuclear programe development is far to advanced and to spread out. You couldn't be sure that you'd even destroyed 50% of it. But most of all any strikes now would cause a massive radiation leak that depending on the wind course might even end up in the US.

Funny that Iraq gets so much attention when it's neighbour is busy enriching Uranium. Anyone able to work that one out? LOL

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Oil?

Ketchup?

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« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2004, 01:09:00 AM »
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I imagine it's like the same releif we all have when we get to the bathroom after a long car ride. :)



See, now that is a sweet assed analogy, and quite apt discription.


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Anyway, care to explain your analogy better Thrawn, we have the time to do it now.


Hell no, I would rather forget the analogy itself ever happened and just explain myself differently instead.


The US could fight NK.  I just don't think it could defeat it conventionally.  Too many troops are already commited elsewhere.  Are you going to call up the entire National Guard to do it?  Let's not forget that China traditionally goes to war whenever one of this buffer states are attacked.  And then there is the question of occupation.  20 million commie fanatics in a mountainous, hilly country?  No thanks.

Probably part of the reason that both Bush and Clinton decided to negoatiate with them instead.



PS: Simply calling something weak is...well...weak.

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« Reply #57 on: August 02, 2004, 01:19:38 AM »
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Oil?

Ketchup?



Possible that Kerry might go to war over Ketchup to protect the Heinz business from cheaper imports.

If so certinly make about as much sense as Bush's reasoning for invading Iraq.



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« Reply #58 on: August 02, 2004, 02:25:37 AM »
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See, now that is a sweet assed analogy, and quite apt discription.

Hell no, I would rather forget the analogy itself ever happened and just explain myself differently instead.

The US could fight NK.  I just don't think it could defeat it conventionally.  Too many troops are already commited elsewhere.  Are you going to call up the entire National Guard to do it?  Let's not forget that China traditionally goes to war whenever one of this buffer states are attacked.  And then there is the question of occupation.  20 million commie fanatics in a mountainous, hilly country?  No thanks.

Probably part of the reason that both Bush and Clinton decided to negoatiate with them instead.

PS: Simply calling something weak is...well...weak.


Thx I liked that analogy as well. :)

I think you overstate the overall effectiveness of the NK army. Plus any serious US combat with NK would also involve the SK army which is very strong.  The article is posted pretty much highlights all the stuff I feel about NK.  My only worry is how many SK civilians in and around Seoul would die from the thousands of close by in range NK artillery batteries and rockets before we took those guns out.  Thats the military reason why nobody is eager to start a war with the North. FYI South Korea spends 15 billion on defense, the north spends 5 billion.

Wow, 20 million commie fanatics? You mean 20 million starving people fed by US rice shipments which really wouldnt be available in wartime?

Not likely china would side with dear leader like they sided with great leader in 1950. China's wellbeing is linked to the USA far more than it is to NK - this was in no way the case in 1950. And Russia certainly wouldnt join in or send their latest weapons like they did in 1950.

NK is only developing nukes as a bargaining chip because except for their artillery threat to Seoul they are nothing and nobody gives a damn.

Oh yes, your Bush polish TV thing is weak. Im sad you had to agonize for days and days to post it, I apologize for not answering sooner. The serious answer to your general question is, I suppose, that they had other, now incorrect, intel about Iraqi wmd. There are some posts around here about that, but I havent been following the news.  Maybe you should just be happy they havent found any wmd. How about just using: Boosh said there were WMD and now they havent found any, so Boosh lied. Yea thats a stronger argument, or something.


Finally, never count these guys out! They can kick North Korea's arse any day of the week!

GO ARMY!



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« Reply #59 on: August 02, 2004, 02:50:39 PM »
North Korea wouldn't be the walk over you'd like to think it is Grun, like Iraq was. If the North invaded their plan would obviously be to take the Peniinsula within a couple weeks making it very hard for the US to resupply what ever if anything was left let alone retake it without a major commitment.

If the fighting fell back to the Norths defenses it would possibly turn into a bloody stalemate like last time. I'm suprised you think the North would be a walk over as it wasn't the first time and wouldn't  be any different today. Especially given how thin US assets are spread around the world at the moment. Commitments to Iraq and a large scale war in Korea would require the draft.

Plus any war with N.Korea today wouldn't stay conventional for long. And would be a pretty terrible scenario for all envolved. Especially for the civilan populations North and South Korea.

I don't think China would step in for North Korea either but it would certinly damage relations for a while. If China did step in it would pretty much be game over as far conventional options.
 


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