"gruesome, brutal, barbaric and uncivilized." - but that's ok

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Why is that?

For one, I can quickly see unscrupulous doctors being very lenient as to what they would be willing to consider a health issue in order to have more patients. Remember that an abortion practioner earns part or all of his or her living from this procedure and the temptation to broaden ones cusyomer base is rather natural for all busineses. A loose and unspecific health provision may encourage such actions.

BTW as a disclaimer:

I'm not comfortable abortion personally. But from a policy perspective I think they should be legal during the first few months and illegal thereafter with a strong exemption for for mother's health and life. Further, I think that sex education and absitance should both be taught.

[vorticon]

because having less money to throw around and the stress of having a child hurts your health, or it could be interpreted that way by a doctor...though why anyone would choose to have or do an abortion that way in the first place should be in a straight jacket.

as far as abortions go im generally in agreement with grunherz stance.

[TheDudeDVant]

I get it now.. Its bad and evil to kill an unborn child for any reason, but its ok to torture, kill, and maim suspected terrorist or just kill/maim the average Iraqi with a cause.. I get it now!! Conservative morals, clearly the path to take!

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
I get it now.. Its bad and evil to kill an unborn child for any reason, but its ok to torture, kill, and maim suspected terrorist or just kill/maim the average Iraqi with a cause.. I get it now!! Conservative morals, clearly the path to take!

So to liberals unborn american children are morally equivalent to foreign terrorists...

Got it!

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

They're suspects because they haven't been found guilty.

You used to be so smert Grun, I think proclaiming yourself a conservative has caused your brain to dribble out your nose.
-SW

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
They're suspects because they haven't been found guilty.

You used to be so smert Grun, I think proclaiming yourself a conservative has caused your brain to dribble out your nose.
-SW

Yea and I suppose you think unborn americam babies are morally equivalent to terrorists...  

Actually screw that. Do me a favor go say what dude said out in the street, try to convince people with his argumet..

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Why does it have to be "americam" babies? Aren't all unborn babies morally equivalent? You're a bigot. Go spread your hate somewhere else Stalin, there aren't any Jews here Hitler.
-SW

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yea and I suppose you think unborn americam babies are morally equivalent to terrorists...  

Actually screw that. Do me a favor go say what dude said out in the street, try to convince people with his argumet..

Grunherz, i totally see your argument.. Why can you not see the fundemental hyprocrasy of this neo-con stance? Life is life and no life is worth more than another life.

[Mini D]

What did you really expect the Supreme Court to say?  This is the exact same aproach as anti-gun ownership proponents are taking.  Get your foot in the door then try for bigger and better things.  I don't like the decision and am not a supporter of abortion, but what say we all stop playing the "this is shocking" game to promote ourselves.

DOH! Not an SC decision

[Eagler]

MT

you are playing with words

the clause is there, no doc would risk the lawsuit if he failed to protect the mother

the fact is the kill the baby group does not want a method removed from their gruesome bag of tricks with which they can squash that "fetus" bug before they actually have to feed/cloth/raise it .... it might cramp the little ladies lifestyle - ya know...

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant



I get it now.. Its bad and evil to kill an unborn child for any reason,


but its ok to torture, kill, and maim suspected terrorist


or just kill/maim the average Iraqi with a cause..

So we have 3 statements for comparsion, babies to terrorists and Iraqis.


1) Yes it is OK to torture a suspected terrorist for information - thats established US practice.   Yes it is OK to maim and kill suspected terrorists. What do you think was going on when we bombed afghanistan freom 30,000 feet?  Or do you oppose that too?

2) Kill an average Iraqi with a cause.  This can be interpreted in 2 ways.

Americans killing Iraqis with cause, as in with justification. Well this is obviously acceptable unless you excepect that US troops dont defend themselves when under fire.

The other possible interpretation is Americans killing Iraquis that have a cause, or a mission. This must refer to the insurgency, in which case I suppose dude is saying that US soldiers are wrong to fight the insurgents. Odd, but OK - its his opinion..

In any case none of these scenarios is comporable to an unborn american baby. I only hope dude realizes the stupidity of that argument and stops using it to support his stance.

[JBA]

Originally posted by midnight Target


Seems simple to me.

...The fetus is partially removed from the womb, and the skull is punctured or crushed....


MURDER, simple to me too.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Why does it have to be "americam" babies? Aren't all unborn babies morally equivalent? You're a bigot. Go spread your hate somewhere else Stalin, there aren't any Jews here Hitler.
-SW

Well since we're in america here discussing US abortion law....  But nooo.. Well nice try though.

[Sandman]

Rip and pastage:

Why Are D&X Procedures Performed?
This is a topic that is rarely discussed during public debates:

 1st Trimester: D&Xs are not performed during the first three months of pregnancy, because there are better ways to perform abortions. There is no need to follow a D&X procedure, because the fetus' head quite small at this stage of gestation and can be quite easily removed from the woman's uterus.
 
 2nd Trimester: D&Xs are very rarely performed in the late second trimester at a time in the pregnancy before the fetus is viable. These, like most abortions, are performed for a variety of reasons, including: She is not ready to have a baby for whatever reason and has delayed her decision to have an abortion into the second trimester. As mentioned above, 90% of abortions are done in the first trimester.
 -There are mental or physical health problems related to the pregnancy.  
 -The fetus has been found to be dead, badly malformed, or suffering from a very serious genetic defect. This is often only detectable late in the second trimester.
 
 3rd Trimester: They are also very rarely performed in late pregnancy. The most common justifications at that time are:  The fetus is dead.
 -The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would place the woman's life in severe danger.
 -The fetus is alive, but continued pregnancy would grievously damage the woman's health and/or disable her.
 -The fetus is so malformed that it can never gain consciousness and will die shortly after birth. Many which fall into this category have developed a very severe form of hydrocephalus.

source

[Eagler]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Life is life and no life is worth more than another life.

right ... someone who has threw away his life by murdering/raping say a 10 year old is the same as a baby who has not taken his/her 1st breath yet ... right

what drugs do you guys take these days anyways? must be some really strong stuff  as you can't be sober and think that way ...