Pentagon hit by 757? Or was it?

[cpxxx]

For crying out loud Grunherz do you ever let up? You always cause a flame war, always lose your cool and are always damage your credibility by your intemperate language.  You really should try and master the art of debate.
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Meanwhile Danks says:

So how about u tell me why not one part of a HUGE 757 was found at the crash site???

In fact there are plenty of photos of bits of fuselage lying around the crash site. As soon as I can find a link. I'll post it.

Many people are unfamiliar with just how delicate aircraft structures are.  In high speed impacts, airliners simply disintegrate. That goes for the passengers too.  It happened in the WTC and no one doubts what they saw.

On top of that the Pentagon is designed against  attack.  I could be corrected but I believe that the section hit had only recently finished refurbishment with further strengthening.  The 757 punched a hold like a bulllet into the building.

The whole premise that the 757 and crew were 'disappeared' and then a missile or something used to attack the Pentagon despite the presence of many potential witnesses and cameras is just to ridiculous.


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[GRUNHERZ]

Cpxx read Dank's posts.

Originally posted by Dank
lmao chairboy u make me laugh, so u think there is no possible way the gov could have landed the plane in some random hanger and killed the people in that plane right after making 1 person call his family at gunpoint?? seeing as the plane went off radar minuted before the crash???  What happened to uj is what i call media brainwash u see 2 planes hit WTC buidling...how many of you saw footage of a plane hitting the pentagon?? Not to mention countless eye witnesses that said the plane was much smaller.  So  how about u tell me why not one part of a HUGE 757 was found at the crash site???
IMO its  easy to believe that the gov would pull somthing like this to get the public to backup a war aginst iraq, not to mention the fact that bush hates iraq and would do anything to live of to his fathers dreams of taking down iraq for good.

Originally posted by Dank
Grun have u ever thought that the WTC was a setup to make people think thats what happened to the pentagon? maybe because you to believe that it was a 757 hitting the pentagon after you saw it hit the WTC buiidings over and over. Try thinking for yourself instead of what you see on tv.

Does this dersrve rational debate?

[Bluedog]

Why is there even speculation? How come any argument isnt immediately shot to pieces with absolutely irrefutable video evidance?
That is the  thing I find strange, it's the Pentagon for Pete's sake, there HAS to have been security camera coverage of every square inch of that building, why isn't any of it publicly available?

Did the WTC's surrounding buildings have their security camera footage taken by federal agents shortly after the attacks? ( I would assume so) Is that footage available to the public?( I honestly don't know, I'm guessing yes)

I ask not out of any gory desire to see the events of Sept. 11 2001 again, but for comparison of availability compared to security cam footage of the Pentagon.
If there is a differance in that availability, why is that so?

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Bluedog
Why is there even speculation? How come any argument isnt immediately shot to pieces with absolutely irrefutable video evidance?
That is the  thing I find strange, it's the Pentagon for Pete's sake, there HAS to have been security camera coverage of every square inch of that building, why isn't any of it publicly available?

Did the WTC's surrounding buildings have their security camera footage taken by federal agents shortly after the attacks? ( I would assume so) Is that footage available to the public?( I honestly don't know, I'm guessing yes)

I ask not out of any gory desire to see the events of Sept. 11 2001 again, but for comparison of availability compared to security cam footage of the Pentagon.
If there is a differance in that availability, why is that so?

Did you consider that so far the only place that tells you of this secret missing footage is this dumb video.  A video produced by the type of people who post interviews with extraterstrial aliens on their websites regarding their participation in the Pentagon attack and flight 77s dissapearence. These people are saying that aliens took part in thje 911 attacks. Doesnt that bother you? Doesnt that make you question their credibilty.

Just think.

They are saying that it's more likely that space aliens were involved in the 911 attcaks than the likelhood that a Boeing 757  struck the pentagon on 911.

Those are the kind of people you are daling with and whoose info you are relying on.

[cpxxx]

Check this out too. Game set and match. Theory debunked.  Stop this nonsense.  It took me ten minutes with a quick Google search to overturn this stupid theory. Much better than shouting the odds, eh Gruny.

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

[VOR]

Originally posted by Bluedog
... for comparison of availability compared to security cam footage of the Pentagon.
If there is a differance in that availability, why is that so?

It's unavailable because the Pentagon is still standing, and all those security cameras (among other things) are still there for the same purpose: to prevent nefarious people from doing nefarious things such as gathering intel for future attacks. To publicly air footage of a successful attack might prove counterproductive despite the obvious assumption that security measures and procedures are propably a little different now than they were then.

Another theory suggests that said footage may inadvertently have shown a glimpse of Prostetnik the Volgon wearing a hardhat while overseeing the destruction of the Pentagon in order to make way for a new interstellar superhighway. It was a deal made between the right-wingers and the Volgon race which will culminate in Bush being elected President of our entire spiral arm of the Milky Way.

[Bluedog]

Yep, the freaks behind the site linked originally are obviously nut jobs, the 4th dimension fifth stage compression Q and A with Marvin the Martian bit pretty much illustrates that point.

I'm not saying I believe it Grun, in fact I find it really hard to believe that it is a setup of some type, but there just doesnt seem to be the evidance to totally disprove it, I just find it strange is all, as if nobody is being given the whole truth, just fragments of it here and there.

Given the track record of the world's mass media where absolute truth and accuracy is concerned, and given that this particular event greatly effected world events since then, I feel it would be a little naive to just accept blindly the story shown on the nightly news with no questions asked.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Check this out too. Game set and match. Theory debunked.  Stop this nonsense.

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

These people dont care about evidence.

Do you really believe that a person who wrote the two posts I quotued above will be swayed by such evidence?

Still for us sane people this is a great website, I havent seen many of those pictures before.    dwtutaffs

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Bluedog
Yep, the freaks behind the site linked originally are obviously nut jobs, the 4th dimension fifth stage compression Q and A with Marvin the Martian bit pretty much illustrates that point.

I'm not saying I believe it Grun, in fact I find it really hard to believe that it is a setup of some type, but there just doesnt seem to be the evidance to totally disprove it, I just find it strange is all, as if nobody is being given the whole truth, just fragments of it here and there.

Given the track record of the world's mass media where absolute truth and accuracy is concerned, and given that this particular event greatly effected world events since then, I feel it would be a little naive to just accept blindly the story shown on the nightly news with no questions asked.

But I think you really have to deciode to seriously reconsider your suspicions if they are based on info (the supposed missing videos) from people who belive aliens were involved in 911...

[Bluedog]

Originally posted by VOR
It's unavailable because the Pentagon is still standing, and all those security cameras (among other things) are still there for the same purpose: to prevent nefarious people from doing nefarious things such as gathering intel for future attacks. To publicly air footage of a successful attack might prove counterproductive despite the obvious assumption that security measures and procedures are propably a little different now than they were then.

 

Now that makes sense, thankyou VOR.
What about WTC footage? I take it the same would apply there.
Obviously there is a certain amount of footage that everyone saw on TV, but it seems limited to the same few peices of film we all saw the day it happened.

[GRUNHERZ]

I'm curious what exactly are you questioning about the wtc attacks?

[VOR]

Originally posted by Bluedog
Now that makes sense, thankyou VOR.
What about WTC footage? I take it the same would apply there.
Obviously there is a certain amount of footage that everyone saw on TV, but it seems limited to the same few peices of film we all saw the day it happened.

There's not much need to protect information regarding the WTC anymore since it can't be targeted again.

[Crumpp]

WHERE IS THE PLANE? WHERE IS THE HUGE BOEING AIRLINER? ALL I SEE IS CONFETTI!!!

The CONFETTI IS THE PLANE!

Ask anyone who worked on the Florida ValueJet Crash.  Largest piece of intact human remains found on that one was a patella.

Crumpp

[Bluedog]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I think you really have to deciode to seriously reconsider your suspicions if they are based on info (the supposed missing videos) from people who belive aliens were involved in 911...

Not really a suspicion, more a curiosity as to why there is even any doubt at all.
Not really just based on that particular site either, over the last three years I've seen differant internet sites, and heard differant people come up with the most outrageous conspiracy theories.

Usually stuff like that happens when people don't know the half of the story, exactly what is happening here I guess, I just wondered why it was that such a lack of public knowledge, enough of a lack to lead people to come up with wild theories, existed.
VOR's post went a long way toward pointing out the obvious to me.


Sometimes by questioning something you make it's position stronger.

[GRUNHERZ]

I know that Crummp, was being sarcastic.  Read the rest of the posts.

Basically he was saying that no plane hit the pentagon because there are no big peaces left.  He was essientally asking WHERES THE PLANE?

So I showed him the pictures of flight 93 crash, all the was left was confetti.

Please read my post with the two quotes by "Dank" above to see what we are dealing with.