Author Topic: 3 hostage takers captured alive (Read 4241 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #60 on:** September 03, 2004, 09:28:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I though you said you were from Croatia Grun ... you sound very Serb to me though.

It's not like the Russians have been treating the Chechens with silk gloves in this conflict. Becoming terrorists is rather counterproductive if you're trying to fight terrorism.

Nice cheapshot. Maybe the Dutch UN and their Serbian drinking buddies at srebrenica thought those refugeees were just like the chechen tererorists - and desreved the same treatment...

I sure dont.. You see I can do cheapshots too..

As for chechnya, I have repeatetedly expressed my disagreenent of the barbaric russian behaviour, expecially the seige and razing of Grozny...

None of that changes the fact these terrorists should be interrigatec and shot, and they will.

spitfiremkv · « **Reply #61 on:** September 03, 2004, 09:29:12 PM »

knowing the russian mindset, the response will probably be more airstrikes and shellings on whatever cities/villages/mudholse chechens still hold, the victimes being mainly women and children.
not justified, but under the circumstances understandable...

NUKE · « **Reply #62 on:** September 03, 2004, 09:42:45 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
A few hijacked airliners have landed here, nothing major.

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Due process should be followed when criminals are captured. Of course what Russian "due process" entails may be a bit different to what we are used to.

So, would you agree with whatever Russia decides is due process?

NUKE · « **Reply #63 on:** September 03, 2004, 09:49:31 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Nope. Depends on what it is.

Does Russia have a right to decide what their due process should be?

hawker238 · « **Reply #64 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:03:11 PM »

Half you people are disgusting. Especially that torture page.

I actually agree with Bohdi.

NUKE · « **Reply #65 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:13:07 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Yes.

so you would agree that the US has the right to hold people in Guantanamo. I thank you for your support

Sandman · « **Reply #66 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:15:06 PM »

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Originally posted by hawker238
Half you people are disgusting. Especially that torture page.

I actually agree with Bohdi.

Gotta agree... the fact that middle class americans might even consider this sort of thing is frightening.

NUKE · « **Reply #67 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:20:12 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Nuke, your argument was flawed from the beginning. You asked me if I would agree to whatever Russia decides is due process. I said no. I also say no to agreeing with what you do at Guantanamo. You do however have the right to decide what your due process should be ... but that does not mean I agree with it.

You see I would not make a very good American, I have this moron thing that I do ... it's called "forming my own opinions".

I gave you a box, you jumped into it and I closed it. Owned!

NUKE · « **Reply #68 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:30:40 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Learn to form correct premises, then perhaps you can make a "box". I'm fully capable of choosing what I agree with. Rights on the other hand are out of my power to decide.

you said

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Due process should be followed when criminals are captured.

This means that you believe due process should be followed, right?

You the said that countries should decide what is considered due process.

1+1 equals 2, right? You said you believe due process should be followed, then said that countries should decide what is considered due process.

So, when countries follow their due process, you should agree that that country is doing what you believe to be correct, right?

Sandman · « **Reply #69 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:34:58 PM »

Hmmm... probably tough to make a case that the U.S. is following some sort of due process WRT Guantanamo.

NUKE · « **Reply #70 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:42:06 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
I believe I've answered that.

Russia or the USA or any other nation has the right to do whatever they like within their borders.
Is that more clear?

yeah, maybe a little.

But you would then agree that Germany had the right to murder Jews. You cannot support your position without being nutz.

NUKE · « **Reply #71 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:46:58 PM »

ok, it's been awhile, but ...

I WIN!

NUKE · « **Reply #72 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:51:08 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Germany had and still has the right to do whatever they like within their borders, so do you. However Germany committed atrocities on such a scale that they broke every international law, /B]

But you don't care about international law, you say each country has a right to do whatever it wants within it's borders.

Jump into another box why don't you? Man, you are losing pretty badly.

NUKE · « **Reply #73 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:51:43 PM »

I win!

NUKE · « **Reply #74 on:** September 03, 2004, 10:59:51 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Every country also has the right to invade another country as long as it is justifiable by international law or The Rights of Peoples. But your right about one thing; we can all just sit by and watch if we want. Or we can for instance invade Germany to save the Jews if we feel we need to, because Germany broke the law and is fair game.

Do I really have to break out the crayons and draw you a picture?

instead of drawing a picture, how about you stick to the original argument, in which you said every country should decide what due process should be?

Who is talking about invasions? We are talking about due process. Man, either say goodnight or just concede that you have lost.