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« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2004, 09:29:43 PM »
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mhm...

i bet this thread will get long :)

Gee, ya THINK!?  :p
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« Reply #46 on: September 18, 2004, 09:59:20 PM »
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The United States of America created Iran. You reap what you sow.



we did? How many other countries did we create? We have only been around just over 200 years. What about the British? Didn't they create the colonies? I guess it's really all the Brits fault. :lol

GScholz, you are too smart to believe that.
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« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2004, 10:16:06 PM »
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The USA destroyed a democratic Iran and inserted a dictator in its place. The people turned to the religious fanatics who finally dethroned him, replacing him with a theocracy. Whiteout your meddling Iran would have been a thriving democracy.

However I recant my previous statement. You do not reap what you sow. The Iranians did.


So, since 1953 the US has had an active presence in Iran which has controlled it, resulting in chaos ever since? I don't recall any US troops controlling Iran.

How come Germany and Japan seemed to survive okay? They acually were occupied.
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« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2004, 10:24:38 PM »
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You didn't place dictators in power in Germany and Japan Nuke. You did in Iran. Why are you so dumb Nuke? Seriously?


We never had control over Iran. Why are you so dumb? You think we influenced Iran 1953 ?
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« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2004, 10:30:35 PM »
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You staged a coup and deposed a democratic government and inserted a dictator in it place. Yeah I'd call that "influence".


So, if it's that easy, why can't we do that in Iraq?
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« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2004, 10:38:14 PM »
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Because Iraq already had a dictator. Dictators are a lot more difficult to overthrow.

The facts are indisputable. You instigated and funded the deliberate overthrow of a democratic government and created a dictatorship in Iran, and a brutal one at that.


The democracy that was overthrown was not any better and close to collapse...given the choice of the shah and the fundamentalists poised to take power , we chose the lesser of two evils.
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« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2004, 10:40:40 PM »
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Because Iraq already had a dictator. Dictators are a lot more difficult to overthrow.

The facts are indisputable. You instigated and funded the deliberate overthrow of a democratic government and created a dictatorship in Iran, and a brutal one at that.


Hey, doesn't the logic of people like you suggest that dictators are in power simply because the people wont rise against them?

GSholz, the Iranian Shaw has not been in power since the 1970's. How does the US matter now? The people of Iran have spoken....correct? They have what they want now, correct?
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« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2004, 10:44:46 PM »
Nuke: We never had control over Iran. Why are you so dumb? You think we influenced Iran 1953 ?

GScholz: The facts are indisputable. You instigated and funded the deliberate overthrow of a democratic government and created a dictatorship in Iran, and a brutal one at that.

Nuke: GSholz, the Iranian Shaw has not been in power since the 1970's. How does the US matter now? The people of Iran have spoken....correct?


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« Reply #53 on: September 18, 2004, 10:48:51 PM »
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*lol* Nice story. Too bad it is just a story and not history.


The people of Iran got rid of the evil Shaw in the late seventies. The People of Iran have made their choice...correct? Who are we to say the made a bad choice?
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« Reply #54 on: September 18, 2004, 10:51:12 PM »
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So, if it's that easy, why can't we do that in Iraq?


You did twice once in '63 and also in '68, which installed the Baath party and ultimately Saddam. At that time they had only a mere 850 members. Not only that but you gave the Baathists a list of some 5000 civillians who were to be tortured and killed right after the coup.
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« Reply #55 on: September 18, 2004, 10:51:13 PM »
okay I got my history wrong..I must have been thinking of something similar but elsewhere..

US & CIA in Iran 1953

Regardless...The people that have control now are nutjobs and need to be stopped...maybe not by force..Iran is not Iraq and would prove much harder to topple..Iran just needs to realize that they don't need a nuclear weapons program..who is their threat? US?..not really.....US relations with Iran were actually warming quite a bit before 9/11, but have cooled since they are known to harbor and support terrorism...The Navy doesn't even get nervous going through the straits of Hormuz anymore passing under their coastal defenses. Their ships are polite and friendly on the seas also..quite a change from the late 70's and early 80's..and they don't use aircraft in a provoking manner anymore..
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« Reply #56 on: September 18, 2004, 10:52:04 PM »
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Nuke: We never had control over Iran. Why are you so dumb? You think we influenced Iran 1953 ?

GScholz: The facts are indisputable. You instigated and funded the deliberate overthrow of a democratic government and created a dictatorship in Iran, and a brutal one at that.

Nuke: GSholz, the Iranian Shaw has not been in power since the 1970's. How does the US matter now? The people of Iran have spoken....correct?


:rofl


I dont get it?

When has the US controled Iran?  The Shaw was taken out in the late seventies by the people of Iran. The people of Iran now have the government they wished for.
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« Reply #57 on: September 18, 2004, 10:53:07 PM »
okay I got my history wrong..I must have been thinking of something similar but elsewhere..

US & CIA in Iran 1953

Regardless...The people that have control now are nutjobs and need to be stopped...maybe not by force..Iran is not Iraq and would prove much harder to topple..Iran just needs to realize that they don't need a nuclear weapons program..who is their threat? US?..not really.....US relations with Iran were actually warming quite a bit before 9/11, but have cooled since they are known to harbor and support terrorism...The Navy doesn't even get nervous going through the straits of Hormuz anymore passing under their coastal defenses. Their ships are polite and friendly on the seas also..quite a change from the late 70's and early 80's..and they don't use aircraft in a provoking manner anymore..
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« Reply #58 on: September 18, 2004, 10:53:40 PM »
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Yes Nuke. Who are you to say anything about Iran ... you know like you do in this thread?


lol, you think I'm "dumb" ?
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« Reply #59 on: September 18, 2004, 10:58:45 PM »
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Why doesn't Iran need nuclear weapons? Why does anyone need nuclear weapons?


Your beloved UN says they shouldn't have them, isnt that a good enough reason?
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