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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #45 on: September 22, 2004, 01:56:01 PM »
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Grun I was wondering about his affiliation with extremism. Just because you write some good songs doesnt make you a good citizen:(
Have you any links ?


I wasnt saying anything about him gbeing a good citizen, in fact now he is just the opposite. Still I like his old songs.

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« Reply #46 on: September 22, 2004, 02:04:01 PM »
Explain again to me how he's a threat?

He practices Islam=Terrorist threat?

We've reached that point now?  There is no longer religious freedom?

He's been accused of giving money to charities that may have ties to terrorism.  Something he denies and as near as I can tell hasn't been proven?

It's all well and good to quote the laws that allow us to deny entry, but this smells a bit like blacklisting.  My first thought was to when they tried to run John Lennon out of the US in 1972 because of political leanings that were contrary to what the Nixon admin approved of.

What exactly are we being protected from by keeping Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam from entering the country?

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« Reply #47 on: September 22, 2004, 02:19:05 PM »
first Staga..you are a dolt...In no way can you compare Gauntanomo to "concentration camps"..


Do you even know what a concentration camp was???  I m guessing not..becuase they KILLED THE PRISNOERS ON A DAILY BASIS>.


dammit it makes me sik to see such idiotic statements


2nd..ol Cat Stevens raised mony for groups who commit terrorist acts...Is tht hard for you hanois to understand>?


Should of just pushed him off the plane

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« Reply #48 on: September 22, 2004, 02:19:39 PM »
OH OH OH I GOT AN IDEA........

I say we get Kerry to leave the country even if he just goes to Canada that will work. Then when he is out of the country the Evil Empire (read republican party) can go to work and get him put on the do not enter list. Think about it, im sure they could easily tie one of his Anti-War protests to a communist or terrorist group which would give them plenty of ground for the ruling. :aok

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« Reply #49 on: September 22, 2004, 02:30:06 PM »
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Do you even know what a concentration camp was???  I m guessing not..becuase they KILLED THE PRISNOERS ON A DAILY BASIS>.


Umm.. you don't have to kill people on concentration camps...

Where were the people of japanese origin in america sent to in WWII? to concentration camps of course.
Were americans killing them 'on a daily basis'? of course not.

Go read up what is a concentration camp, then comment on it.
Then figure out who of you two is making stupid comments.


In a certain way guantanamo prison could be looked at as a concentration camp.
However it is not really filled up with "prisoners".



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The Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed. defines concentration camp as:

a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated, such as those instituted by Lord Kitchener during the South African war of 1899-1902; one for the internment of political prisoners, foreign nationals, etc., esp. as organized by the Nazi regime in Germany before and during the war of 1939-45
A concentration camp is a large detention centre for political opponents, specific ethnic or religious groups, or other groups of people. The term often implies camps designed for the extermination of the interned (extermination camps) or their engagement in forced labor (labor camps). The term refers to situations where the internees are civilians, especially those selected for their conformance to broad criteria without judicial process, rather than having been judged as individuals.

Concentration camps form a subset of the more general category of prison camps. The term is not generally considered appropriate for Prisoner of war camps such as Andersonville during the American Civil War. Although large numbers of prisoners were concentrated there in horrific conditions from 1863 to 1865, and perhaps a quarter of them died, the prisoners were combatants and the camp is generally classified as a POW camp.

Early civilisations such as the Assyrians used forced resettlement of populations as a means of controlling territory, but it was not until much later that records exist of groups of civilians being concentrated into large prison camps.

In the English-speaking world, the term "concentration camp" was first used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during the 1899-1902 Second Boer War. Originally conceived as a form of humanitarian aid to the families whose farms had been destroyed in the fighting, the camps were later used to confine and control large numbers of civilians in areas of Boer guerilla activity. Tens of thousands of Boer civilians, and black workers from their farms, died as a result of diseases developed due to overcrowding, inadequate diets and poor sanitation. The term concentration camp was coined at this time to signify the "concentration" of a large number of people in one place, and was used to describe both the camps in South Africa and those established by the Spanish to support a similar anti-insurgency campaign in Cuba at roughly the same time (see below).

Over the course of the twentieth century, the arbitrary internment of civilians by the authority of the state became more common and reached a climax with the practice of genocide in the death camps of the Nazi regime in Germany, and with the Gulag system of forced labor camps of the Soviet Union. As a result of this trend, the term concentration camp carries many of the connotations of extermination camp and is sometimes used synonymously. In technical discussion, however, it is important to understand that a concentration camp is not, by definition, a Nazi or Soviet-style death-camp[/i]
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« Reply #50 on: September 22, 2004, 02:35:49 PM »
so under a peaceful and loving muslim rule.... you would be sentenced to death for..... blasphemy?   Would dowding condone such a practice if it were part of the christian religion?

seems these muslims are only peaceful and harmless if they are not allowed to run anything.

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« Reply #51 on: September 22, 2004, 03:08:00 PM »
What makes you think I condone the captial punishment of blasphemy in any context?
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2004, 05:00:36 PM »
He contributed money to Hamas and we don't want him in our country. Simple as that. I think we still have a right to say who does and doesn't enter our country.

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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2004, 05:01:27 PM »
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He contributed money to Hamas and we don't want him in our country. Simple as that. I think we still have a right to say who does and doesn't enter our country.


Only if Koffi Anan approves...

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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2004, 05:19:03 PM »
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I wasnt saying anything about him gbeing a good citizen, in fact now he is just the opposite. Still I like his old songs.


Grun I didnt mean that you did:)
I was just being uhhhh FUNNY:)
I am interested to know the inside info on what he has done to get on the no entry list though.

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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2004, 05:59:44 PM »
I donno what put him on the list officially, but from what I read some years ago he was quite thje the fundraiser for some very bad people. Maybe it was that, maybe he did something else too.

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« Reply #56 on: September 23, 2004, 12:13:06 AM »
This board has sunk to new lows if I am to be made to beleive by certain posters in the forum that Cat Stevens has been victimized here and can't possibly be a terrorists sympothizer just because he's a famous singer????????   Sorry I think the FBI watchlist isn't just a cool list of muslim names picked out of a hat.....you probably actually have to do something bad to be on that list.

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« Reply #57 on: September 23, 2004, 12:42:17 AM »
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Sorry I think the FBI watchlist isn't just a cool list of muslim names picked out of a hat.....you probably actually have to do something bad to be on that list.


Like be a democrat?

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« Reply #58 on: September 23, 2004, 10:46:04 PM »
LOL that jopurnalist over his left shoulder is a resident  heathro reporter from the Airport documentary series..

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« Reply #59 on: September 23, 2004, 11:44:34 PM »
Ok so first we had the communists, now we have the muslims, im just curious as too what will be the next group to be placed under these conditions. I am in no way saying this was a bad thing and I am all for keeping anyone who might be even the tad bit suspicious out of the country. I am just wondering what group will screw up next to be given the black list treatment.