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« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2004, 01:29:01 PM »
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!

Iron!

If you could read that then you would understand...

My Cod!

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NOTHING IN THAT ARTICLE CONFIRMS YOUR CLAIMS.

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« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2004, 01:37:33 PM »
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Guess why that will never happen here in the wonderful USA?



No here the arabs are not nearly as violent as some others,    Here in dearborn,  they are like little angels compaired to what we have in detroit.

Granted the polish hate them in hamtramic,  but then thats life  :)

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« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2004, 01:38:27 PM »
So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do? And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring? Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?
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This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2004, 01:38:35 PM »
Heh friend worked in Volvo's factories in '80s (in Skövde IIRC) and he said the buildings they were living were also places the cops didn't like to go; especially at weekends ;)

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2004, 01:42:59 PM »
So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do?
- We sit in our Saunas and drink booze.

And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring?
- No idea; Haven't met a radical muslim yet. Had couple muslims as my co-workers, a pugilist and a wrester, and they were better guys than many Finns I've known.

Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?
- If you really wanna sleep in the snow at the -20C it's your own fault if you wake up dead. Err...

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« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2004, 01:52:05 PM »
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We used to have some neighborhoods like that here but since 1987 that has all changed.  We have very docile bad guys now.  There are no neighborhoods you can't go into.


But you said it could "never happen" so are you contradicting yourself?

Btw i thought you were one of those religious moral types so what's up with the sig?

Quoting a guy that was a draft dodger and a confessed adulterer, not to mention he became a legal guardian of a teenage girl just to be able to have sex with her, to each his own. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2004, 02:24:01 PM »
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So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do? And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring? Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?


Actualy; winter is a problem.

Denmark's not as cold as I imagined (I'm a Brit by birth); but winter is very, very dark. The flip side is everlasting summer nights.

To say there's no radical muslim problems problems would be false; but you have to understand the scale of things.

Denmark's got 5 million people; and about half live in and around Copenhagen. That leaves a lot of very, very small towns in the rest of the country (London has more cars than there are Danes). A small group can have a big impact in the right circumstances.

Nontheless; while Copenhagen has it's fights, assults and murders like any big city; girls still feel safe walking home unaccompanied through the city at night; how Denmark has inculcated this confidence I've no idea.

If any one ethnic group could be identified as bums; it'd be the Innuit (Eskimo's). Denmark still has Greenland as a colony; and the Innuit face a lot of the same problems the American Indians have had.

To be honest though; the typical town park bench drunk is a skinny white guy in jeans and a leather waist coat; Tuborg in hand.

Personaly; I think a main problem over here is that post war Europe has pursued a policy of intergration; instead of the traditional assimulation. This has a tendancy to maintain immigrents "them" status; as they are encouraged to preserve aspects of their own culture; thereby prolonging the time it takes for them to become "us".

Few European countries can follow America's afro-american; Armenian American; Polish American what -have-you-American kind of thinking. The idea of an "Afro-German" just doesn't compute. You're either an African; or a German; and colour is no bar to either case; but you can't be both.

This can make it very hard on immigrant kids; or "second generation foriegners" as they're called here.

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2004, 02:27:20 PM »
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Actualy; winter is a problem.

Nontheless; while Copenhagen has it's fights, assults and murders like any big city; girls still feel safe walking home unaccompanied through the city at night; how Denmark has inculcated this confidence I've no idea.

 


Its the same in the whole of Scandinavia... Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland...
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2004, 02:37:03 PM »
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This has a tendancy to maintain immigrents "them" status; as they are encouraged to preserve aspects of their own culture; thereby prolonging the time it takes for them to become "us".

That's exactly what's happening in America with Hispanics.

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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2004, 02:46:41 PM »
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So during the winter in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark what do you folks do?
- We sit in our Saunas and drink booze.

And If your very few radical Muslims do cause problems, do they hold off untill the spring?
- No idea; Haven't met a radical muslim yet. Had couple muslims as my co-workers, a pugilist and a wrester, and they were better guys than many Finns I've known.

Hey in Sweden if you get drunk and fall asleep in the street during the winter, doesn't that get a little dicy on your survival?
- If you really wanna sleep in the snow at the -20C it's your own fault if you wake up dead. Err...

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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2004, 03:47:47 PM »
I don't doubt the authenticity of the article, and certainly would trust those facts than two or three "Ameerika haters" on this board.  Appears they're defensive so you must have struck a sore spot.

Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.

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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2004, 03:50:07 PM »
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I don't doubt the authenticity of the article, and certainly would trust those facts than two or three "Ameerika haters" on this board.  Appears they're defensive so you must have struck a sore spot.

Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.


Haha.

Even Hortlund would agree with me on this one. Have that article translated.

This is the first time i see "managment by fear" in full effect.

No wonder the Iraq war was so easy to sell. Pfffft!
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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2004, 03:56:17 PM »
9,800,000 muslims in Sweden....Hmmm...vs. 20,000 Jews...

By now we've come to accept that, as Germany was once the hotbed of anti-Semitism, it is the Middle East — from Egypt to Damascus to Saudi Arabia to the PLO — which today is a seething cauldron of racism. What, however, is even more alarming is that anti-Semitism is spreading to what would hitherto be considered the most unlikely places.
    I have before me a study published Oct. 20 in a leading Swedish daily, Dagens Nyheter, which reports that "Arab and Muslim attacks on Jews are rising sharply in Swedish society [while] silence surrounds Muslim Jew-hatred." The study, inadequately translated from Swedish, was prepared by two Swedish social scientists, Sverker Oredssom, a professor of history, and Mikael Tossavainen, his research assistant.
    The situation has become so bad, they report, that "Jews in Sweden today often feel compelled to hide their religious identity in public: necklaces with stars of David are carefully hidden under sweaters, and orthodox Jewish men change their kippot [skullcaps] to more discreet caps or hats when they are outdoors. Jews in Sweden nowadays get secret telephone numbers to avoid harassment. In Sweden. Today."
    In a Swedish population of some 9 million, there are about 20,000 Jews, mostly in Stockholm, Sweden's capital. The social scientists blame the Muslim migrants, now 3.9 percent of the Swedish population, for the growth of anti-Semitism. (Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.)
    "Most Swedes believe that anti-Semitism is an extinct problem in our country," they write. "Most Swedes believe that our society has evolved and that we are more enlightened today. ... Unfortunately, they are wrong. During the last year, the security police registered 131 anti-Semitic crimes. Nobody knows how many incidents go unreported. but the security police expect the number to be large."
    Jewish congregations in Sweden have noted a sharp increase in "harassment, threats and attacks by Arabs and Muslims against Jews in Swedish society during the last few years," the report states. "The problem is furthermore aggravated by the almost complete silence which surrounds this form of Jew-hatred. If anti-Semitism among Arabs and Muslims in Sweden is discussed at all in Swedish media, it tends to be in the form of trivializations or denials of the problem."
    The report's authors say anti-Semitism was once "only found among marginalized groups at the extreme right and left. That is not the case anymore. During the last decade, another form of anti-Semitism has started to spread in the suburbs of large Swedish towns: a Jew-hatred often imported from the Middle East and not seldom presented under an Islamic flag which also wins adherents among groups of Arabs and Muslims in Sweden."
    Teachers in Swedish suburbs report widespread hostility against Jews among Arab and Muslim students. Several Internet Web sites in Swedish report on Muslim political and religious topics and at the same time spread anti-Semitic propaganda in this fashion: the Holocaust is dismissed as a Zionist fiction, an event that never happened. Then comes another declaration, this one full of admiration for Adolf Hitler and regret that he didn't live long enough to complete his extermination campaign.
    One Swedish Web site announces the existence of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, an announcement with which Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahatir Mohammed would be in full agreement.
    At some point the European democracies, like Sweden, will have to decide how far freedom of expression and other civil liberties extend when Web sites in several European languages, including Swedish, are publishing blood libels against Jewish citizens. The American philosopher, Arthur O. Lovejoy, has written:
    "The conception of freedom is not one which implies the legitimacy and inevitability of its own suicide. It is, on the contrary, a conception which defines the limits of its own applicability; what it implies is that there is one kind of freedom which is inadmissible — the freedom to destroy freedom. The defender of freedom of thought and speech is not morally bound to enter the fight with both hands tied behind his back."

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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2004, 03:59:28 PM »
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9,800,000 muslims in Sweden....Hmmm...vs. 20,000 Jews...

By now we've come to accept that, as Germany was once the hotbed of anti-Semitism, it is the Middle East — from Egypt to Damascus to Saudi Arabia to the PLO — which today is a seething cauldron of racism. What, however, is even more alarming is that anti-Semitism is spreading to what would hitherto be considered the most unlikely places.
    I have before me a study published Oct. 20 in a leading Swedish daily, Dagens Nyheter, which reports that "Arab and Muslim attacks on Jews are rising sharply in Swedish society [while] silence surrounds Muslim Jew-hatred." The study, inadequately translated from Swedish, was prepared by two Swedish social scientists, Sverker Oredssom, a professor of history, and Mikael Tossavainen, his research assistant.
    The situation has become so bad, they report, that "Jews in Sweden today often feel compelled to hide their religious identity in public: necklaces with stars of David are carefully hidden under sweaters, and orthodox Jewish men change their kippot [skullcaps] to more discreet caps or hats when they are outdoors. Jews in Sweden nowadays get secret telephone numbers to avoid harassment. In Sweden. Today."
    In a Swedish population of some 9 million, there are about 20,000 Jews, mostly in Stockholm, Sweden's capital. The social scientists blame the Muslim migrants, now 3.9 percent of the Swedish population, for the growth of anti-Semitism. (Sweden has the second-largest percentage Muslim population in Western Europe. France has the highest Muslim population percentage, 7 percent.)
    "Most Swedes believe that anti-Semitism is an extinct problem in our country," they write. "Most Swedes believe that our society has evolved and that we are more enlightened today. ... Unfortunately, they are wrong. During the last year, the security police registered 131 anti-Semitic crimes. Nobody knows how many incidents go unreported. but the security police expect the number to be large."
    Jewish congregations in Sweden have noted a sharp increase in "harassment, threats and attacks by Arabs and Muslims against Jews in Swedish society during the last few years," the report states. "The problem is furthermore aggravated by the almost complete silence which surrounds this form of Jew-hatred. If anti-Semitism among Arabs and Muslims in Sweden is discussed at all in Swedish media, it tends to be in the form of trivializations or denials of the problem."
    The report's authors say anti-Semitism was once "only found among marginalized groups at the extreme right and left. That is not the case anymore. During the last decade, another form of anti-Semitism has started to spread in the suburbs of large Swedish towns: a Jew-hatred often imported from the Middle East and not seldom presented under an Islamic flag which also wins adherents among groups of Arabs and Muslims in Sweden."
    Teachers in Swedish suburbs report widespread hostility against Jews among Arab and Muslim students. Several Internet Web sites in Swedish report on Muslim political and religious topics and at the same time spread anti-Semitic propaganda in this fashion: the Holocaust is dismissed as a Zionist fiction, an event that never happened. Then comes another declaration, this one full of admiration for Adolf Hitler and regret that he didn't live long enough to complete his extermination campaign.
    One Swedish Web site announces the existence of a Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, an announcement with which Malaysia's Prime Minister Mahatir Mohammed would be in full agreement.
    At some point the European democracies, like Sweden, will have to decide how far freedom of expression and other civil liberties extend when Web sites in several European languages, including Swedish, are publishing blood libels against Jewish citizens. The American philosopher, Arthur O. Lovejoy, has written:
    "The conception of freedom is not one which implies the legitimacy and inevitability of its own suicide. It is, on the contrary, a conception which defines the limits of its own applicability; what it implies is that there is one kind of freedom which is inadmissible — the freedom to destroy freedom. The defender of freedom of thought and speech is not morally bound to enter the fight with both hands tied behind his back."


Is this a troll or are you drunk?

Im amazed.

Get that article translated.
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« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2004, 04:00:40 PM »
No sir, that is the news reported.  Good luck with it. If you need assistance, the U.S. is here to help you.