So I finally saw the Micheal moore movie..

[Horn]

Originally posted by lazs2
No, I have not seen the movie MMhates America yet.  It is not showing around here.

But... let's look at the site you claim is mostly what MM felt and doesn't really prove his intent to decieve...

Starting from the beggining would you say that MM meant in 9/11 to say that Bush stole the election and that susequent studies proved that gore had actually won the election in Florida?   That is the opening of moores film.   How can it get any worse from there?

lazs

No, I'm asking if you've seen Fahrenheit 9/11 yet. Your evasion leads me to believe you haven't. I hope you will prove me wrong--I didn't think you were a lemming.

Ok, to start from the beginning--for the third time, I don't know about the election. That the Supremes called it was good enough for me. I voted for Bush.

I found Moore's version of the election entertaining, not sinister. Why? Because it really doesn't matter. Water under the bridge, over the dam, whatever. History. As it worked out, I'd rather Bush than Gore.

This election, however, I will be voting Kerry. If one of my employees had screwed up as bad as Bush he would be terminated. Bush has proved his incompetence in many ways and I sure as hell don't need a movie to tell me this.

I've already pointed out inaccuracies in both the film and your site. The point is, if you are a thinking person you will search out the facts for yourself.

I took Moore's movie for what it was, entertainment--it had a couple of things that made me go "hmmm" so I went and found out the truth of the matter--so in this case I think Moore's movie was very successful.

It entertained me and made me think. Traits of a good picture.

h

[lazs2]

I didn't ask you who won the election i asked you if moore said that the election was stolen and that gore had actually won.

The movie starts out with a huge lie.

You are right.  I have not seen it.   I have only seen the trailers and clips from it and quotes from both sides.   It seems like every other moore movie but perhaps more focused on hate for one man this time.

Why would I give the man money when he can't even get 10 minutes into the film without distorting the truth in the most bizzare way?

lazs

[Horn]

Originally posted by lazs2
I didn't ask you who won the election i asked you if moore said that the election was stolen and that gore had actually won.

The movie starts out with a huge lie.

You are right.  I have not seen it.   I have only seen the trailers and clips from it and quotes from both sides.   It seems like every other moore movie but perhaps more focused on hate for one man this time.

Why would I give the man money when he can't even get 10 minutes into the film without distorting the truth in the most bizzare way?

lazs

Here's one of the most telling statements from your website:

"Moore’s editing technique of the election night segment is typical of his style: all the video clips are real clips, and nothing he says is, formally speaking, false."

You call it a lie but your source doesn't.

If you haven't seen the movie you have nothing to contribute here but others' opinions.

I gave "the man money" (well, $2.35) because I expected to be entertained and I was. Pity you let yourself be led like this.

h

[Horn]

Originally posted by lazs2
I didn't ask you who won the election i asked you if moore said that the election was stolen and that gore had actually won.

Oh and btw, he didn't actually say that at all. He showed what he considered "proof" and left you to make your own conclusions. But of course, if you'd seen the movie, you'd know that.

h

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Horn
Oh and btw, he didn't actually say that at all. He showed what he considered "proof" and left you to make your own conclusions. But of course, if you'd seen the movie, you'd know that.

h

BS Mike Moore does not intend anyone to draw their own conclusions.

In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.

The way he handled thje post 911 saudi flights is clear evidence of that...

He takes maybe 5 minutes telling us that almost everything was grounded in the days after 911,  that even the former president bush couldnt fly, that even famous singers couldnt fly, and then asks us who would want to fly in those days after 911. Nobody! Except of course the Bin Ladens. They could fly.. Then he mentions how on september 13 some 21 flights or whatever were loaded with saudis and flown out of the country.  

Whats the problem with that?  Well on september 13 the groundings were lifted, most people copuld fly. Why diodnt Moore take as much time explaing that inconvenient fact as he did setting up the fallacious image that somehow these saudi flights were during the grounding period..

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ

In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.

Not unlike Geoge Blush himself

Top ten reasons why i.....

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nevermind..

who cares anyway, I get to sleep in tomorrow cause the gf is taking Mia cause i won the bet!. I can sleep until noon and then ill get breakfast in bed

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Horn
Yeah right. Michael Moore has nothing whatsoever to do with Carlyle Group. I mean, other than provide amusement for the members. I've asked.

Keep up the conspiracy theories tho--you're pretty funny. Dumb, but funny.

h

Are you kidding me?

Closing your eyes to it doesn't make it go away.  Maybe you should look a little closer.

[Dowding]

Columbine and Fahrenheit have a lot in common. Both are propaganda films but with an underlying point of interest in if you are willing to ignore the waffle. Those points are, IMO:

Columbine: How can other countries have such a much higher gun/capita ratio but still remain relatively gun-crime free compared to the USA?

Fahrenheit: Why do Americans not really pay much attention to the rather embarrassing relationship its leadership has with the Saudis?

[Horn]

Originally posted by Martlet
Are you kidding me?

Closing your eyes to it doesn't make it go away.  Maybe you should look a little closer.

Lol. Prove it, dweeb.

You've got nothing, but idiocy is entertaining sometimes. Go for it, youngster.

h

[Horn]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS Mike Moore does not intend anyone to draw their own conclusions.

In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.

The way he handled thje post 911 saudi flights is clear evidence of that...

He takes maybe 5 minutes telling us that almost everything was grounded in the days after 911,  that even the former president bush couldnt fly, that even famous singers couldnt fly, and then asks us who would want to fly in those days after 911. Nobody! Except of course the Bin Ladens. They could fly.. Then he mentions how on september 13 some 21 flights or whatever were loaded with saudis and flown out of the country.  

Whats the problem with that?  Well on september 13 the groundings were lifted, most people copuld fly. Why diodnt Moore take as much time explaing that inconvenient fact as he did setting up the fallacious image that somehow these saudi flights were during the grounding period..

Wow. You are amazing. You figured all this out by yourself? WTG Capt. Obvious! You really nailed him!

I am referring to the election coverage in answer to Lazs you congenital idiot. Please try to keep up.

I'm sure you are ready and willing to foam at the mouth to defend your God and Savior (Bush) but this isn't the time, OK?

If you aren't able to understand, it's probably best you kinda sit on the sidelines until the rabies wear off.

Thanks.

h
(unless you are Martlet--he is pretty funny in a "hurrr, hurr" kinda way and is welcome to post stuff he is clueless about))

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Horn
Lol. Prove it, dweeb.

You've got nothing, but idiocy is entertaining sometimes. Go for it, youngster.

h

The only thing funnier than an idiot is an idiot who makes a fool out of himself by being exceedingly insulting when he's dead wrong.

Take a look at who own's the the company cashing out moore for his box office sales, moron.

Wait, what company again?  Oh yeah.  Carlyle group

Now that you've been sufficiently schooled, I'll leave you to your babbling moonbat excuses and ill conceived arguments twisting the facts in a vain attempt to prove me wrong.

Have fun, old man.

[Horn]

Originally posted by Martlet
The only thing funnier than an idiot is an idiot who makes a fool out of himself by being exceedingly insulting when he's dead wrong.

Take a look at who own's the the company cashing out moore for his box office sales, moron.

Wait, what company again?  Oh yeah.  Carlyle group

Now that you've been sufficiently schooled, I'll leave you to your babbling moonbat excuses and ill conceived arguments twisting the facts in a vain attempt to prove me wrong.

Have fun, old man.

That's pretty funny, squeak toy!  Did you have to look hard for that?

I asked you for proof, moron.  You didn't provide it-- remember in the last post that you ignored? I said *I asked*--did you think I was kidding?

OK, internet tough guy, bring it on.

You'd be amazed at the folks who play this game and you are way over your little idiot neocon head.

h

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Horn
That's pretty funny, squeak toy!  Did you have to look hard for that?

I asked you for proof, moron.  You didn't provide it-- remember in the last post that you ignored? I said *I asked*--did you think I was kidding?

OK, internet tough guy, bring it on.

You'd be amazed at the folks who play this game and you are way over your little idiot neocon head.

h

I'm sorry.  I didn't realize you were TOO STUPID TO READ.

Game?  What game?  You think not being able to read is a game?

You can ignore the facts but it doesn't change them.  Put your head back in the sand, gramps, until your grand kids come home and can read the link for you.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
BS Mike Moore does not intend anyone to draw their own conclusions.

In fact he leads the audience to make the conclusions he wants them to make.

Pretty much the same conclusion I came to as well.

My god grun, we are starting to agree on a few things these days. Starting to freak me out!



...-Gixer

[Horn]

Originally posted by Martlet
I'm sorry.  I didn't realize you were TOO STUPID TO READ.

Game?  What game?  You think not being able to read is a game?

You can ignore the facts but it doesn't change them.  Put your head back in the sand, gramps, until your grand kids come home and can read the link for you.

Thought so. No answer.

h

(appreciate the entertainment tho)