Author Topic: Nice Job Bushie! (Read 4200 times)

rpm · « **on:** October 25, 2004, 10:25:44 AM »

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Kerry Slams Bush for 'Great Blunder' in Iraq
Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:44 AM ET
By Patricia Wilson

DOVER, N.H. (Reuters) - Democratic challenger John Kerry accused President Bush on Monday of committing "one of the greatest blunders" of his administration in failing to secure tons of explosives in Iraq and said the Republican incumbent did not deserve to be commander in chief.

Eight days before the Nov. 2 election, a potentially damaging report in The New York Times said that almost 380 tons of explosives vanished from an Iraqi military installation amid widespread looting after the U.S.-led invasion.

A spokeswoman for the United Nations nuclear watchdog confirmed the explosives were missing and said International Atomic Energy Agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei would immediately report the matter to the U.N. Security Council.

"George W. Bush who talks tough -- talks tough -- and brags about making America safer, has once again failed to deliver," Kerry told supporters in Dover, New Hampshire. "After being warned about the danger of major stockpiles of explosives in Iraq, this president failed to guard those stockpiles."

Kerry said terrorists could use the material "to kill our troops, our people, blow up airplanes and level buildings."

"This is one of the great blunders of Iraq, one of the greatest blunders of this administration and the incredible incompetence of this president and this administration has put our troops at risk and this country at greater risk."

"The unbelievable blindness, stubbornness, arrogance of this administration to do the basics has now allowed this president to once again fail the test of being commander in chief." The New York Times reported that the interim government of Iraq had told Washington and international inspectors that nearly 380 tons of conventional explosives were missing from al Qaqaa, a sensitive former military installation.

As usual, Bush did not think things thru. Now there is 380 tons of HE floating around. How many suicide bombs will that make?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:29:38 AM »

Oh my!

"Pentagon officials acknowledge that the explosives vanished sometime after the American-led invasion last year."
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After the Persian Gulf war in 1991, the United Nations discovered Iraq's clandestine effort and put the United Nations arms agency in charge of Al Qaqaa's huge stockpile. Weapon inspectors determined that Iraq had bought the explosives from France, China and Yugoslavia, a European diplomat said.

None of the explosives were destroyed, arms experts familiar with the decision recalled, because Iraq argued that it should be allowed to keep them for eventual use in mining and civilian construction.

rpm · « **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:30:45 AM »

So this is no big deal Rip?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:35:25 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
So this is no big deal Rip?

Well it is, but you must look at the UN for not taking care of this sooner.

rpm · « **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:37:48 AM »

The UN? The UN did'nt invade Iraq. This was a blunder that falls squarely on Bush's watch.

TheDudeDVant · « **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:39:08 AM »

This was an interesting point I heard last night..

If Iraqi had so many WMDs layed around in 1000s of areas, why is it our president invaded with too few troops? Too few troops to stabalize just the iraqi masses let alone guard the supposed 1000s of WMD caches throughout the country.. Clearly another failure from this administration. What if there really were WMDs in Iraqi?? Seems pretty clear to me who's hands the WMDs would be in right now.. Certainly not the US's..

Ripsnort · « **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:40:08 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
The UN? The UN did'nt invade Iraq. This was a blunder that falls squarely on Bush's watch.

So, to summarize:
You are now aware that Saddam operated a clandestine nuclear arms program that escaped the notice of the IAEA, and was only uncovered as a consequence of intrusive inspections that required a War to put in place, and arguably challenging Iraqi sovereignity.

While those intrusive inspections were active, the IAEA and UN inspectors shut down the program, and essentially "mothballed" the hi-technology, restricted equipment, but did not destroy it.

In 1988, the inspectors were expelled from Iraq. For the next five years, the situation vis a vis monitoring was much like before the first Gulf War, a time when demonstrably the monitoring capabilities of the IAEA were not sufficient to prevent Saddam from operating a clandestine nuclear weapons program. Arguably, the monitoring conditions were even worse, as Saddam knew he was under the microscope, and therefore had motivation to be that much more careful and secretive.

AKIron · « **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:42:07 AM »

If I were looking for someone to do a better job militarily I sure as hell wouldn't find it in John Kerry and his democratic party.

rpm · « **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:44:30 AM »

Nice tap dance Rip, but you failed to answer the question. Dude seems to get it, you don't.

lada · « **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:49:49 AM »

May be militants in Iraq will call Mr. Bush Santa Claus

lada · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:51:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Well it is, but you must look at the UN for not taking care of this sooner.

all of that stuff were sealed by UN and UN watched it for several years baby....untill brum brum boyz came in

whats next excuse ?

lada · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:57:45 AM »

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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
This was an interesting point I heard last night..

If Iraqi had so many WMDs layed around in 1000s of areas, why is it our president invaded with too few troops? Too few troops to stabalize just the iraqi masses let alone guard the supposed 1000s of WMD caches throughout the country.. Clearly another failure from this administration. What if there really were WMDs in Iraqi?? Seems pretty clear to me who's hands the WMDs would be in right now.. Certainly not the US's..

actualy UN did claim that those things were not WMD. They used to clam, that it were army materials monitored under "WMD monitoring" it include some hi-tech (not from HTC

) devices, various detonators for missiles, and sutch stuff......

But whats odd about this case in my opinion is 380 TONS.... LOL

it doesnt seems to be 1 or 2 forgoten depots, does it ?

AKIron · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:58:35 AM »

I'm just hoping that after this election the losers will shut the hell up and let our president (whoever he may be) get on with the job unencumbered by his own countries continual cries of lies, deceit, and inadequacy. If I were one of those parents that gave in to the demands of a spoiled child I'd be tempted to vote for Kerry just to create at least the appearance of unity for the sake of the country.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2004, 10:59:25 AM »

Kerry has a plan to find this stuff, right?

Dago · « **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2004, 11:00:03 AM »

Boy, the world is just full of armchair generals who it seems are just great in the art of hindsight expertice.

If any of you armchair generals ever hear a loud popping sound followed by a bright light, that would be from your head popping out of your asses.

dago