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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2004, 01:00:18 PM »
So now I need to start begging for a Ki-84-I-Otsu modeled to 1944 standards?

I'm burned out.
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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2004, 01:28:29 PM »
Anybody tried "Combat" flaps on Ki-84? I think the speed at which you can deploy first notch is kinda low...

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MGs having same fire rate as cannons????
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« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2004, 01:38:31 PM »
I flew the Ki-84 offline... the ROF for the cannons seems kind of slow in my opinion.  If they are the same guns as the ones on the Ki-61, they should be just about the fastest firing guns in the game.  They seem pretty average to me, and they are mounted outside the prop I believe (as opposed the the Ki-61s).
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« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2004, 02:12:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Pyro
Crap, found the problem.  It's not making full power.  Argh.


Pyro...Woah...You modelled it too realistic!!! :D
Golly-geen it, please give me fine 2000hp engine! ;)
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« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2004, 02:18:50 PM »
Looks like we're stuck with the 1800hp engine and no exhaust stubs, Mitsu.
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« Reply #50 on: November 01, 2004, 02:30:00 PM »
btw, why didn't pyro select another prototype Ki-84's test data?
(631km/h at the same alt, pilot was funabashi)
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« Reply #51 on: November 01, 2004, 02:40:24 PM »
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I am kinda surprised about the coice to model the Ki84 at 324/388 since it seems that it has been demonstarated on this board that this was the performonce of a rough and unfinished  prototype with a weaker engine and lacking some important gear like the speed enhancing ejector exhausts.

So from my view we have two hard data sets that probably set the boundaries but are IMO most likely not fully representative of in-service planes.

324/388 for the rough first development prototype.

and

363/427 for a well treated/pampered production plane with US 100 octane fuel fuel.
 
I'm curious why was the low figure chosen? Why not shoot for a happy medium?

Also what of this mention of MW50? Did Ki84 mount this system? Would the 100 octane gas approximate the anti detonation properties of low octane gas and MW50 running at higher boost?


I can guarantee that there would be whining no matter what performance specs were used for the Ki84...

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« Reply #52 on: November 01, 2004, 03:01:48 PM »
Flame bait
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« Reply #53 on: November 01, 2004, 03:11:04 PM »
"what we have here is plainly that no axis ride will ever be modelled faithfully if it is superior in performance to an allied model. hence the flap BS and so forth. They don't feel like modelling them properly and they won't. If we can't play be their terms then we must seek entertainment elsewhere.  Storch"


 It must be a conspiracy!
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« Reply #54 on: November 01, 2004, 03:15:03 PM »
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 It must be a conspiracy!


Quick!  Someone call Michael Moore!  :D

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« Reply #55 on: November 01, 2004, 03:16:41 PM »
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btw, why didn't pyro select another prototype Ki-84's test data?
(631km/h at the same alt, pilot was funabashi)


Pardon my ignorance but what would that convert to in mph?
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« Reply #56 on: November 01, 2004, 03:17:06 PM »
your prolly right Michael :rolleyes:

aren't you guys able to be happy with what you get? :eek: :rolleyes:
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #57 on: November 01, 2004, 03:36:28 PM »
Wurger,

I'll guess from your name that you prefer German rides.  This is like having the Fw190D-9 modeled with a top SL speed of 350mph, and you expect us to shut up and fly when we think it is very, very wrong?  I'll bet you be giving us an earful if your fighter was way undermodeled.

You don't care about the Ki-84 so take a hike.
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« Reply #58 on: November 01, 2004, 03:45:35 PM »
I'm still a bit baffled by the handling, all in all you've got a plane thats clearly inferior to the 205 (among others). Certainly doesnt seem to be competitive in the late war period at all. My only prior experience is in AW...the Ki easily outperformed the nikki and spitfire but was a bit slower than the pony. All in all the F6F ought to eat it up...somehow doesnt seem right....
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« Reply #59 on: November 01, 2004, 03:56:02 PM »
humble,

I'd hold off judgment until it gets fixed, but based on what Pyro has said it should be clearly inferior to the N1K2-J, F6F-5 and all other 1943+ American fighters.


I really don't understand why HTC used the numbers off of the first prototype for the Ki-84.  Essentially, if this flight model is accurate, the Ki-84 had a absolutely monstously overblown reputaion and the whole "Forget about it, it's a Frank." stuff was baloney.

I just can't understand how the N1K2-J is as fast despite having a less powerful engine and being less streamlined.

The perfromance is well below my lowest expectations, which would have been about 340mph at SL and 392mph at best altitude.
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