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Offline Toad

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2004, 09:52:38 AM »
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?????


Are  you SURE?


(yells)  Hey Maw!!!! Skin the SKUNKS!! Skin the SKUNKS!!!! The TURTLES go in the soup!!!
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2004, 10:19:44 AM »
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A clear win for Bush, but hardly a landslide, especially considering he is a war president and the dismal candidate chosen to run against him.

I agree it is not a landslide, but it was the first time in 16 years that a candidate got a majority of the popular vote AT ALL. He not only had the most votes FOR of any candidate in this countries history but he also had a higher percentage than any democrat candidate since Johnson. Both Nixon victories, both Reagan victories and even GHBs first election were higher than this one, remember that Kenedy won by fewer votes than Bush did in 2000.
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2004, 10:40:48 AM »
See? Them backwater hicks can't even get their specialities right.

Nothin' cracks a turtle shell like Leon Uris.
-SW
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2004, 10:45:51 AM »
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so only people who like to live in big, crime ridden, dirty, metropolis are the ones that count for what direction our country should be headed?

Well, that, or he was simply pointing out that the lower population density makes JBA's point moot, and the actual numbers show a different story.  But, I suppose if you want to read something into his statement, you will.
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2004, 11:46:16 AM »
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if you want to read something into his statement, you will.
isn't that mandatory for posting in the oclub?
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2004, 11:56:45 AM »
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so only people who like to live in big, crime ridden, dirty, metropolis are the ones that count for what direction our country should be headed?


LOL. I have a lot of relatives in rural areas, and have spent quite some time in WV and Tenn. in the past 40 years. A lot of really nice scenery and good folk. But also it's share of washing machines and bags of garbage tossed down the hillside and Jerry Springer folk too. Watch those glass houses.

1 vote = 1 vote

That's what the big cartoon map doesn't quite say. Four percent more people wanted Bush in office than wanted Kerry. A clear win, but hardly a mandate (though he will treat it like one).


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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2004, 12:01:52 PM »
I think the election was one huge mandate... across the board.

It's funny, since 1980 really, the Dems message has been consistanly rejected by the voters.
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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2004, 12:45:19 PM »
Who would have thought, the dems having their own "red scare"

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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2004, 12:45:29 PM »
I think this is an interesting map. It distorts the state sizes to make them proportional to their populations.

Looks about as much red as blue. Which pretty much matches the results of the election (51% to 49%)

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Offline Charon

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« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2004, 12:50:44 PM »
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I think the election was one huge mandate... across the board.


Why do you say that?

FWIW I'm not a "dem" I typically vote for a Republican Gov. (including the previous crook :() to counter the overwhelming power of the Cook County Democratic machine and didn't vote for kerry in this election. Its that whole "dem" vs. republican  thing, IMO, that turns the election into another version of the superbowl (go team!) instead of the unemotional job search for a leader of the American people that it should be. I could give a **** if its a Dem or Repugnant that wins,  I want results when it's all said and done.

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« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2004, 12:56:46 PM »
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Why do you say that?

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because across the country, people chose republicans over dems.

Americans voted to keep repubicans in complete control of the government.
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« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2004, 01:00:02 PM »
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All that red isn’t really red nor is all that blue really blue. Some of those areas were real close and could have swung either way.





Your right!!!  We are a land of Purple!!!!!!
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Offline Charon

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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2004, 01:01:30 PM »
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because across the country, people chose republicans over dems.


No, a slight percentage more people chose Republicans.

If in 2008 the Republicans screw up totally and say a Ralph Nader type wins with 2-4  percent of the vote and maybe a few extra seats in Congress, would you support his mandate to abolish V-8 engined cars and ammend the Constitution to outlaw guns? He would have the power to do that, and the right, but not a mandate.

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Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2004, 01:07:48 PM »
A slight win does not equal a mandate.  A slight win is just that...slight.  It could have gone either way.  Right now the Republicans have a small national margin in their favor; if they mess up it WILL shift back the other way just as fast.

At the very least a "mandate" should have a two to one margin, or 66% appoval.   The gay marriage ban is what I would consider a mandate in many states....I've heard that in some states it passed with margins of 75% or greater.  



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Offline Charon

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2004, 01:09:45 PM »
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It's funny, since 1980 really, the Dems message has been consistanly rejected by the voters.


I almost missed this one. Yeah, except for those 8 Clinton years, you know, the 1990s.

Just because most of the people you may associate in your local area believe the way you do -- remember, there are areas where you could talk to 10 random people off the street and not find a single one that holds your viewpoint.

Charon
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