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« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2004, 09:16:17 AM »
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... even the US government support your involvement in Ivory Coast.


Only because we know its the right thing to do, as should have been France's involvement in Iraq.

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« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2004, 11:18:21 AM »
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The French have earned the ire of the American people with their repeated attempts to thwart our efforts in making the world safer by eliminating or at least controlling ruthless tyrants and terrorists. Give us any excuse to shove it back down your throats and you can bet we're gonna jump on it. Get used to it.




Oh look,  GWB being all chummy with Islam Karimov, whose regime in Uzbekistan routinely employs torture, imprisonment without trial and extra-judical killings. US aid to Karimov's regime has increased exponentially since Bush took office, which is kind of inconsistent with his crusade against tyranny, no? Why would that be? Caspian basin hydrocarbon reserves perhaps? Surely not, just as his cosy relationship with the equally oppressive House of Saud has nothing to do with US energy policy, notwithstanding their well documented connection to Islamic terrorism against which that of the previous Iraqi regime is comparatively miniscule in scale.

So spare us the moralising crap, the US decision to invade was firmly based on realpolitik and the tenets of the doctrine of full spectrum dominance.

The French opposition to the same was likewise rooted in material self-interest. Failure to realise this just makes you another dittohead, Sorry.

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« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2004, 11:39:11 AM »
I am outraged at the French actions. The use of force should always be a last option, as Chirac has noted.

They need to give diplomacy a chance before they rush to war. Think about the civilians who will suffer. This is an outrage. We have been lied to.

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« Reply #48 on: November 09, 2004, 11:45:04 AM »
Nuke, you (the US) could have vetoed the French presence out there.

You didn't

Their mandate is legitimate.

Get over it.

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« Reply #49 on: November 09, 2004, 11:49:35 AM »
Kind of like the UN voted to give Iraq one last chance to comply? get over it.

I am outraged the the French would not try every last diplomatic solution before rushing to use force. I thought the French used force only after every possible diplomatic solution was exhausted?

We have been lied too. No war for cocoa

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« Reply #50 on: November 09, 2004, 11:58:27 AM »
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Kind of like the UN voted to give Iraq one last chance to comply? get over it.
 


They complied and you invaded anyway.

"· Access to sites has been prompt and assistance on the sites expeditious. It seems probable that a general instruction has been issued not in any way to delay or impede inspection of the kind of sites we have gone to so far. This is welcome and it is to be hoped that such an instruction will extend to all sites we may wish to inspect in the future, regardless of location, character and timing."

Dr Hans Blix, Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC
19 December 2002

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We have been lied too


As an american citizen, I would have thought you would be used to being lied to by now. :)

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« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2004, 12:01:59 PM »
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They complied and you invaded anyway.

"· Access to sites has been prompt and assistance on the sites expeditious. It seems probable that a general instruction has been issued not in any way to delay or impede inspection of the kind of sites we have gone to so far. This is welcome and it is to be hoped that such an instruction will extend to all sites we may wish to inspect in the future, regardless of location, character and timing."

Dr Hans Blix, Executive Chairman of UNMOVIC
19 December 2002

 

As an american citizen, I would have thought you would be used to being lied to by now. :)


I suspect you are quite familiar with being lied to by your leaders.
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« Reply #52 on: November 09, 2004, 12:02:51 PM »
My condolences to the french soldiers.  Its not their fault they have been ordered into the quagmire.  I regret every french soldier harmed and every civilian they are ordered to kill.

The real criminal here is that liar Chirac.  He has lied to the french people about the reasons french boys have to die.  It has nothing to do with peace keeping.  

Its all about protecting the property and plantations of french fat-cat families that have made their billions off the backs of the indigenous people.  

If the french want to be safe they should walk away from all the property they have stolen from the Ivorian people and simply go home to france.
Toxic, psychotic, self-aggrandizing drama queens simply aren't worth me spending my time on.

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« Reply #53 on: November 09, 2004, 12:08:09 PM »
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Kind of like the UN voted to give Iraq one last chance to comply? get over it.

I am outraged the the French would not try every last diplomatic solution before rushing to use force. I thought the French used force only after every possible diplomatic solution was exhausted?

We have been lied too. No war for cocoa


Sorry to burst your bubble but how do you know it was not the case ?

Your comment are especially ironics cause I'm pretty sure you were unable to put IC on the map before yesterday.

PS : can you disert about Ouattara and Gbagbo without making glarring error ?

PS2 : I won't get involved any longuer in this kind of ****ty post Nuke I've lot of friends in IC both French and Ivorians having been here myself some time. The only thing I know for sure is your complete ignorance ,for example : do you know what a is baoulé a margouilla atiéké poisson or le maquis ?

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« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2004, 12:11:26 PM »
Straffo

All I said was that the French are rushing to war without giving diplomacy every last possible chance to work.

I'm concerned about the civilians who will be harmed by the rush to use force.

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« Reply #55 on: November 09, 2004, 12:18:23 PM »
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I suspect you are quite familiar with being lied to by your leaders.


Most if not all politicians lie. Some people can read between the lines. Others like the moral comfort zone that the lies are designed to create.

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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2004, 12:24:15 PM »
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Most if not all politicians lie. Some people can read between the lines. Others like the moral comfort zone that the lies are designed to create.


Like the lies that Saddam was no threat to the US?
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« Reply #57 on: November 09, 2004, 12:26:06 PM »
No blood for cocoa!!

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« Reply #58 on: November 09, 2004, 12:30:05 PM »
Pardon my off topic posts, I'm easily distracted.

No blood for cocoa!
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« Reply #59 on: November 09, 2004, 12:30:50 PM »
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Like the lies that Saddam was no threat to the US?


That moral comfort zone is certainly cozy isn't it? ;)