Author Topic: Gun Facts (Read 993 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #30 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:40:52 AM »

I don't see what a house being burgled has to do with guns. My house was broken into and stuff stolen, no one was home except the dog. He was SOL with the shotgun, and got maced so was found cowering in the corner.

Promoting gun control is funny, because it always has misrepresented facts and out right lies.
-SW

beet1e · « **Reply #31 on:** December 01, 2004, 09:56:43 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
well beetle... nice of you to mention that my house was burgled again...

I mentioned it to you during a private conversation about my daughters drug use and subsequent recovery as a way of explaining how serious the thing was. My house was not so much burgled as allowed to be burgled by her while I was away.

Sorry Lazs - didn't know you'd told me privately. I thought you'd mentioned it already on the BBS when we were talking about locks. Otherwise I would not have brought it up.

My bad.

EN4CER · « **Reply #32 on:** December 01, 2004, 11:12:03 AM »

Putting the actual Gun Control issue aside - you are talking about a group of individuals who want to take away one of our rights granted to us by our constitution - the Right to Bear Arms. Let them take away that right and what's next - freedom of speech, freedom of religion? Union people know that you give up NOTHING in contract negotions. IMO I look at it the same way - It's a constitutional right - it's not for negotiation on the table.

GreenCloud · « **Reply #33 on:** December 01, 2004, 02:05:19 PM »

2nd Amend ..protects the First Admen

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 01, 2004, 02:29:47 PM »

no problem beet... not ashamed of my daughter.... hell.... I'm a recovered drunk and drug addict, biggot, biker, criminal myself... just felt that it was not really a matter of "burglary" per se.

lazs

Regular · « **Reply #35 on:** December 02, 2004, 04:14:28 PM »

" hell.... I'm a recovered drunk and drug addict, biggot, biker, criminal myself... just felt that it was not really a matter of "burglary per se."

lazs"

And your allowed to own firearms legally?

Shhheshh. Most of my buddys at the range including my self never even thought about pulling pillow tags off.

You as a "recovered" chemical abuser should not hold rights to own guns.

lazs2 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 02, 2004, 05:34:09 PM »

I have no record that would prohibit me from owning firearms.

lazs

streetstang · « **Reply #37 on:** December 02, 2004, 05:38:46 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Sorry Lazs - didn't know you'd told me privately. I thought you'd mentioned it already on the BBS when we were talking about locks. Otherwise I would not have brought it up.

My bad.

your an bellybutton hole... ofcourse its your bad.

You dont care who you hurt so long as the point your trying to make, as foolish or insignificant as it will be, is made.

Once a fool always a fool.

Scherf · « **Reply #38 on:** December 02, 2004, 06:06:03 PM »

Wow.

Them Japanese are doing pretty good. They must all be heavily armed or something.

Cheers,

Scherf

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 02, 2004, 06:52:53 PM »

streetstang... beet is a good guy.. he knows I'm not a real sensitive guy so it's not as bad as it seems.

sherf... two things about the japs... one, look at their suicide rate and two... would you want your society to be like theirs if you were to save a couple of lives per hundred thou? Not to mention that this is only the firearms homicide rates it by no means is any indication whatsoever that total homicides would go down if all firearms suddenly vanished.

In the U.S. to have a vibrant and free society with a lot of cultural diversity (half of all those firearms homicides are commited by blacks who are less than 17% of the population) in order to have our system...

you either have very high crime or you have firearms with some of the homicides, suicides and accidents then being firearms related. mostly tho... you have fireams preventing several million crimes a year. There is a good chance that there would not only be more crime but that there would be more death without em in OUR society.

I wouldn't have it any other way. Being a japanesse or british citizen holds no appeal to me.

lazs

Scherf · « **Reply #40 on:** December 02, 2004, 07:08:38 PM »

"There is a good chance that there would not only be more crime but that there would be more death without [firearms] in OUR society."

So, there's a societal element to the link between firearms, crime and death?

Scherf

Vulcan · « **Reply #41 on:** December 02, 2004, 07:22:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Tony Williams
There's a thread on this very topic here: http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=autogun&msg=1517.1

Some key data published in it is this:

"Info from a Government consultation document on firearms law. The source was the Small Arms Survey Yearbook 2003:
Firearms homicide rate per 100,000 population: Europe in 2000

Lithuania 2.25
Slovakia 2.17
Estonia 1.53
Latvia 1.26
Portugal 0.84
Switzerland 0.56
Germany 0.47
Denmark 0.26
Sweden 0.20
UK 0.12

Elsewhere

Canada 0.54
New Zealand 0.47
Australia 0.31
Japan 0.03
Hong Kong 0.01

For 2000, the US Bureau of Justice reported a rate of 3.6 firearms homicides per 100,000 population in the USA; or exactly thirty times the British rate."

Now while there may be some differences in definition, thirty times is one hell of a difference to make up.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and Discussion forum

I'd just like to point out those figures from NZ actually include suicides, iirc which make up 2/3rds of the deaths. So it drops down to about 0.10 for NZ. (I think the same goes for Australia).

Widewing · « **Reply #42 on:** December 02, 2004, 11:00:05 PM »

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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
I don't see what a house being burgled has to do with guns. My house was broken into and stuff stolen, no one was home except the dog. He was SOL with the shotgun, and got maced so was found cowering in the corner.

Promoting gun control is funny, because it always has misrepresented facts and out right lies.
-SW

Back on Thanksgiving 1980, I picked up my fiancee at a house she shared with a girlfriend and we went to my parents home for dinner. Later, we stopped at her parents home for dessert. They lived two houses away from my fiancee. My soon to be brother-in-law arrived and said that he saw flashlights upstairs in my fiancee's house. Together with my future father-in-law (a retired cop who was then teaching high school science) the three of us went to investigate, future father-in-law armed with his .38 S&W service revolver. Meanwhile, the police were called. Two of us went in the front while one watched the back and the upstairs windows. Just as we unlocked the front door, a cop showed up on foot, having parked in front of the in-law's house.

We encountered 4 teenage boys from the neighborhood. They were terrified at the sight of the cop and guns and 3 of them quickly gave up and came downstairs without any trouble. The 4th teen decided to jump from a window and attempt to escape. He kicked out the screen and leaped out. He injured his ankle when he landed on the concrete patio. He was detained by my fiancee's brother and a second cop who arrived about two minutes after the first one. This kid lived across the street, one house over.

The three who surrendered plead guilty to breaking and entering and were sentenced to community service. Mister numbnuts who jumped, he was given 90 days in a juvenile facility and paid a substantial fine. Largely due to previous problems with the law, being the ringleader and his escape attempt. Their parents had to pay for the repair to the basement window and several broken items of personal property.

Moral of the story: Don't trust those seemingly friendly neighborhood teens.

My regards,

Widewing

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 03, 2004, 08:14:34 AM »

sherf... that is a kind of broad topic but let's boil it down... yes, there is some coralation between violence and societies... broad examples would be extreme governments like the former soviet union where murder was very rare and crime was punished in extreme ways..

Oppossite would be very free and vibrant societies with a lot of cultural diversity and opportunity. A gold rush in California say caused higher than normal homicide rates in the 1850's

Like I said.... very broad topic you need to narrow it down.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** December 03, 2004, 08:19:36 AM »

at some point we all depend on guns for our survival... you can either delagate their extreme power and hope that somehow you will find only good, all seeing and instantly reacting people will be carrying them or..

you can take your and your families defense into your own hands by owning your own firearm and assuming that no matter how good or noble or quick.... the good guys might not get there or even remain "good" forever... and that bad guys won't play by the rules and that someday you won't be able to wipe out six badguys with your bare hands and a cricket paddle anymore.

lazs