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Offline Shamus

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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2004, 08:57:36 AM »
You will not find this administration nor any other  put forth a definition of victory for the war on terror, drugs, crime, poverty etc. .. that would totaly wreck politics as we know it in this country.



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« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2004, 09:10:59 AM »
well.... historicaly they do seem to understand force.

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« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2004, 09:52:22 AM »
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
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« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2004, 09:53:55 AM »
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well.... historicaly they do seem to understand force.

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wow!  what a prophetic statement!! Of course they understand force.. Who doesn't?? I thought you'd been around a few years Lazs..  Not familiar with the last few decades of history??

It is not if they understand force. It is their reaction to said force that matters..
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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2004, 09:54:41 AM »
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Originally posted by Shamus
You will not find this administration nor any other  put forth a definition of victory for the war on terror, drugs, crime, poverty etc. .. that would totaly wreck politics as we know it in this country.



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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2004, 11:04:37 AM »
It is not if they understand force. It is their reaction to said force that matters..
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Your only half smart frog.  Its their understanding of OUR REACTION TO FORCE that matters.
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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2004, 11:44:55 AM »
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Originally posted by Nilsen
In the days after 911 _we_ were very close to winning the war on terror when alomost the entire world supported america.

Then america fumbled and invaded Iraq...

  Yep you are right,
i was born in Transilvania, live in Canada but in my oppinion those who hate America are wrong
  i think in all history wasn't any other superpower to help the world as much as America did in last 100 years: UN, charity, ww1,ww2, rebuilt europe,japan and many more.
 If americans would't get involed in ww2, all Europe would speak deutch or russian now .
But now after this invasion in Irak,most of the world hate America,  maybe is stupid war(like the war in Vietnam, 50.000 americans+2 000 000 vietnameze died  for what? just to show the muscle to red empire)wrong decision, but why the world forget  the good thinks done by US soo fast?!
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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2004, 12:12:24 PM »
Who would be responsible for that armageddon?
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HIMMLER!!!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2004, 01:24:02 PM »
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Originally posted by ghi
Yep you are right,
i was born in Transilvania, live in Canada but in my oppinion those who hate America are wrong
  i think in all history wasn't any other superpower to help the world as much as America did in last 100 years: UN, charity, ww1,ww2, rebuilt europe,japan and many more.
 If americans would't get involed in ww2, all Europe would speak deutch or russian now .
But now after this invasion in Irak,most of the world hate America,  maybe is stupid war(like the war in Vietnam, 50.000 americans+2 000 000 vietnameze died  for what? just to show the muscle to red empire)wrong decision, but why the world forget  the good thinks done by US soo fast?!


Nobody forgets the good things america has done, but the fumble in Iraq is not a small insignificant mistake... Alot of people are getting killed and its making the world a more dangerous place to live.

Also remember that when america has helped the world, it has not only been to be nice either. It has been in their own self interest, protecting trading partners, stopping communism and nazism to get to close to its own borders etc.
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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2004, 02:08:13 PM »
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Nobody forgets the good things america has done, but the fumble in Iraq is not a small insignificant mistake... Alot of people are getting killed and its making the world a more dangerous place to live.




"MOST" of the people that are being killed in Iraq are either Bathist, Jihadist (spl) or plain old criminals and yes some innocents have died.  In your world is it ok if Saddam were still in power?  He killed a lot more people and would still be doing so.  Ask Kuwait, Iran, the Kurds or why not ask the millions still alive what they think of Saddam and his kids running their lives for a few more generations.

By your standards WWI and WWII could not be fought because people would die.  As far as making the world a more dangerous place I will accept your opinion but I doubt you will ever be able to prove it with facts.


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Also remember that when America has helped the world, it has not only been to be nice either. It has been in their own self interest, protecting trading partners, stopping communism and nazism to get to close to its own borders etc.




You really don't understand Americans or American history do you?

I fully understand that the European view is myopic on this issue, but to be honest We did not need to be in Europe and Asia for 50 years only to protect our self interest.   My Father, brothers, Uncles all spent time in Europe or Asia to protect Democracy.  Hundreds of thousands of Americans died for more than "protecting our own self interest"  

After WWI and before WWII we stayed out of Europe and guess what, Europeans started a world war, not Americans EUROPEANS.  If you want to think of Americans and American participation in history as mainly a selfish endevour, feel free.  

But to be clear FYYFF !
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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2004, 02:54:39 PM »
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If you want to think of Americans and American participation in history as mainly a selfish endevour, feel free.  

But to be clear FYYFF !


I don't think its all selfish and i fully expected that kind of reply. However... if there were _no_ "benefits" for america, you would have done nothing to stop communism or nazi germany for that matter.

No idea what FYYFF means but i guess its a typical response when a nerve is struck ;)
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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2004, 05:42:18 PM »
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Who would be responsible for that armageddon?
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HIMMLER!!!!!!



Don't go back into YeagerTardBot mode.
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« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2004, 07:19:03 PM »
what people find a little wierd is that you went for Saddam using Terrorism in your justification...

To me Saddam was an Iraqi problem, hmm more or less a regional problem that MUSLIMS should of taken care of with our support, not our problem though, nor yours for that matter, trying to blind us to the fact that Usama Bin Ladin is so-so important in the big picture, bite me you freaks, he is the ONE RESPONSIBLE for 9/11, he is the one carrying that Religeous Nuthood to a whole new level when dealing with GOD's enemies.
You have NO proof of a relationship between SADDAM & OBL, yet you persist in your justifications that the Iraqi invasion was for 9/11 and the war on terrorism...sorry BOB, I don't bite so easily.

Afhganistan and OBL were related, hence the support for that action. But your boys are dying on foreign soil for greed, mis-direction of morales and a lack at communication as a whole, you should have listened to Colin Powell, but the Hawks won that one.

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« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2004, 08:23:22 PM »
Actually, Slo, the reason for the invasion was Saddams violations of the treaty terms laid down by the UN.  You can ignore it all you like, but the historical record is there, and it is plain.  Quit being an bellybutton and accept it.
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« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2004, 09:23:02 PM »
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Actually, Slo, the reason for the invasion was Saddams violations of the treaty terms laid down by the UN.

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