Define "Victory in the War on Terror"

[Tinpot]

Yeager says

 "The fact that pakistan and north korea have nuclear weapons is unacceptable to me. The fact that Iran wants them is even more unacceptable to me. "

I say the fact that anyone at all  has them at all is unnacceptable to me.

I'd rather have seen the money wasted on nukes now put into the space program. Give us all something to cheer about! maybe Something that would bring the world together a bit like Apollo did.

 lazs2 says

"victory? well sparks.... for me, victory is the end to dictators and despots who use gold toilet seats whole they torture and starve their countrymen and blame the whole mess on affluent countries..."


If this is so we should send troops to nearly every country in Sub saharan africa, the former soviet republics, middle east, far east , hell even Europe, we have poverty homelessness, too. hell perhaops we should declare war on the whole world!

Sheesh! remember allot of our affluence is based on the exploitation of the other parts of the world!

[lazs2]

neubob... I don't know... why do you write neubob at the end of everything you post?

ghi.... I don't see cuba as much of a threat.   I think we have neutralized them pretty well allready.

tinpot... I think we have to prioritize.... so long as the despot is simply making life misserable for his people and not funding terrorism against us...  we save our resources for the real fanatics.  the lesson most despots are getting these days is, like syria....we let you keep the gold toilet seats and the snazzy uniform and ugly chicks and stetch mercedes and don't kill your family while trying to get at you.... so long as we don't catch you messing with us.... don't mess with us and we will put you further down on the list of "things to do"   help us and we might even take you off the list for some indeterminate length of time.

lazs

[Red Tail 444]

We don't want a victory on the war on terror. It's physically impossible, to claim victory over an ideology.

Do you know what would happen if we won the war on cancer? drugs? crime? The US economy would collapse, defense contracts would go up in flames, and politicianss wouldn't have anything to foam at the mouth about. Same goes with Terror.

We're not getting out  of Iraq. Period. Start liking it. It's a big business/ defense spending cash cow, and we're gonna milk it for all its worth.

Look on the bright side, maybe we'll carpet bomb arkansas next time some nut fire bombs a church or abortion clinic.

[Maniac]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444

We're not getting out  of Iraq. Period. Start liking it. It's a big business/ defense spending cash cow, and we're gonna milk it for all its worth.

Whos paying for it?

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by lazs2


Better that than the gold toilet seat guy setting them up in a condo in a city near me.

lazs

Of course, "Them" is rather ambiguous when it comes to determing who is a them, and who isint a them. But I'm sure you'll let God sort em out, eh?

[ghi]

Originally posted by lazs2
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ghi.... I don't see cuba as much of a threat.   I think we have neutralized them pretty well allready.

lazs [/B]

 But are you sure Irak was a threat?  
Irak need another mild dictator to keep 2 crazy nuts religious minoritys together
   I used to live  Romania under Ceausescu, one of the worst dictators of the east Europe,
 From 1983 to 1989,I had to wake up at 4-5am and stay in line hours for  bred,milk, ..The food stores were empty most of the time, we were not alowed to walk on the street in group of more than 2 persons, security was watching
   Castro keep that country in poverty for 50 years, they make 10-20$/month,
soo if you were talking about dictators you have the worst one,verry close no need to find one half globe away

[oboe]

Originally posted by Maniac
Whos paying for it?

Our leader doesn't need to worry about such things.   Why should you?   A bit of advice, I would look pretty closely at any investments I had in U.S. dollars.

[lazs2]

It is said that soviet russia had a very low crime rate and that musolini made the trains run on time.

red tail... when conservatives are in power we go after one group... when liberals are in power they go after another... like ruby ridge and waco.

There were no church burnings in arkansas... klinton made that up during his race.

lazs

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by lazs2
It is said that soviet russia had a very low crime rate and that musolini made the trains run on time.

red tail... when conservatives are in power we go after one group... when liberals are in power they go after another... like ruby ridge and waco.

There were no church burnings in arkansas... klinton made that up during his race.

lazs

ruby ridge. The guy was a terrorist. White supremacy is a terrorist ideology. he was threatening anarchy, and needed to go. Too bad we missed him.

WACO. I'm sorry to hear David Koresh was one of your role models, but he was not exactly bringing kids in to watch barney and Mr. Rogers. I'll agree that the govt. moved in too fast, but hey..we warned him. Saddam should have watched this little skirmish and seen the light

Are you suggesting there were no church burnings in arkansas? ever?

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Elfie
I seriously doubt its for the oil fields. From the beginning the Bush administration has stated (repeatedly) that Iraq's oil belongs to the Iraqi people. If it was all about oil why didnt we stay in Kuwait and hijack the Kuwaiti oil fields as our own?

With new technologies emerging (google for waste to oil for one technology) I seriously doubt that we will be dependent on foreign oil in the next 20 years. In fact I believe the Arab countries will lose their single largest cash export due to these new technologies and they will become a non-issue on the world scene.

Well of course Bush would state that. He's hardly going to overtly admit to what amounts to armed robbery is he? I realise that some of the more knuckle-dragging posters on this BBS would support an blatant land-grab, but it wouldn't wash with the US electorate as a whole.

You didn't stay in Kuwait because US and British companies already have a large share of the concessions there. Iraq was a different story though, since Russia and France were the big players in that countries oil industry.

Link

Russian officials told the London-based Observer newspaper that they feared a post-war nullification of the large Russian contracts, with the most lucrative deals given over to US companies. The Observer quoted one official in Moscow as saying that the impending conflict could be called “an oil grab by Washington.” In France, it was reported that Total was actually in negotiations with the US government “about redistribution of the oil regions between the world’s major companies.”

The big US-UK companies made no secret of their strong desire for Iraqi oil. BP and Shell conducted secret negotiations with Saddam Hussein, while Exxon and Chevron took a harder line and waited for Washington to eliminate Saddam covertly. In 1997, as the sanctions lost international support, Russia’s Lukoil, France’s Total, China National and other companies struck deals with the government of Iraq for production sharing in some of Iraq’s biggest and most lucrative fields. Lukoil reached an agreement for West Qurna, Total got Majnoun, while China National signed on for North Rumaila, near the Kuwaiti border.44 Paris, Moscow and Beijing, as Permanent Members in the UN Security Council pressed for an easing of the sanctions, with support from a growing number of other countries. Grassroots movements, concerned about Iraq’s humanitarian crisis, called on the UN Security Council to end the sanctions forthwith.

Plenty more background in the link supplied above.

[Elfie]

So if the US gets some new oil contracts from the new Iraqi gov't wont the US companies still be paying for that oil? I hardly see that as armed robbery.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Elfie
So if the US gets some new oil contracts from the new Iraqi gov't wont the US companies still be paying for that oil? I hardly see that as armed robbery.

I believe that we will be getting the oil at cost to pay off their debt to us for bringing democracy to the country.

[lazs2]

redbottom... I do not know if any black churches ever caught fire in arkansas or if any were deliberetly burned ever.   If you can show me an example of one that was burned by anything but the owners I will believe it...  No black churches were burned when klinton was growing up like he said he had witnessed... it never happened.

terrorists?   how was ruby ridge a terrorist operation?  the guy was pretty harmless as were the waco whacko's who, by the way, were in no way heros of mine but.... I do not condone The U.S. government burning alive allmost 30 children because their parents may or may not have broken some silly gun law.   Ruby ridge was not about terrorism either... it was about the barrel of a shotgun being a couple of inches shorter than some law allowed...   A woman and child were shot dead by my government over that idiotic law..

Children were burned to death because the government wanted to make a gun bust and make it look spectacular.   They got "spectacular" allright.    I don't condone the actions of the branch dividians but I think they had the right to open up on the balck pajama guys who were breaking in in th4e first place.

lazs

[Voss]

We win when the price of oil is controlled by us and not them.

At that point the essence of the war will change, and American insurgents will then carry the flag of jihad forward under the guise of anti-religion movements.

Want to win quickly? Develop ANWR and everytime an environmentalist stands up to complain knock him down.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Voss
We win when the price of oil is controlled by us and not them.

At that point the essence of the war will change, and American insurgents will then carry the flag of jihad forward under the guise of anti-religion movements.

Want to win quickly? Develop ANWR and everytime an environmentalist stands up to complain knock him down.

Look at what the cat dragged in.

Karaya