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Offline Suave

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« on: December 10, 2004, 02:43:36 PM »
On November 16, Utah Judge Paul G. Cassell gave a 22-year sentence to a
murderer who beat an elderly woman to death with a log.

Two hours later, he sentenced nonviolent, first-time-offender Weldon
Angelos, age 24, to 55 years and a day  in essence, a life sentence.

Weldon’s crime? Selling a small amount of marijuana to a Utah
undercover policeman.

How was this possible? It was yet another horror story created by
America’s savage mandatory minimum sentencing laws, imposed by Congress
during the “get tough on drugs” mania that seized Congress in the 1980s.

Angelos wore a small pistol in an ankle holster when he sold the
marijuana. Although he didn’t use, threaten to use, or brandish the weapon,
that triggered the federal mandatory minimum laws, and sent his sentence
skyrocketing.

Angelos’ mandatory 55 years is based on three firearms-related charges:
for carrying a gun during two drug sales and for keeping additional
firearms at his apartment. Federal law require a five-year
mandatory-minimum sentence for the first charge and a 25-year term for each count
thereafter.

Under federal law, Judge Cassell had no choice but to impose the 55
years.

Cassell is no softie on crime. He’s a Bush appointee, former
prosecutor, and death penalty advocate.

But he was horrified by what the law forced him to do to Weldon
Angelos. So horrified, in fact, that he wrote a 67-page memorandum denouncing
the mandatory sentencing and asking Bush to commute the sentence to a
more reasonable (in his mind) 18 years.

Under federal law, Judge Cassell noted, an airplane hijacker would get
24 years. A bomb-detonating terrorist would get a 19-year sentence. A
three-time child rapist would get 15 years.

"Is there a rational basis for giving Mr. Angelos more time than the
hijacker, the murderer, the rapist?" Judge Cassell wrote. “To sentence
Mr. Angelos to prison for the rest of his life is unjust, cruel, and even
irrational."

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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2004, 02:49:48 PM »
Thats pretty lame, but it sounds like he had other gun charges on his record. he was a fool for having one with him when he was dealing.


Still 55 years for selling pot is stupid, we should end the stupid wastefull war on drugs and use the money to fight the war on terror.

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2004, 03:04:11 PM »
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Thats pretty lame, but it sounds like he had other gun charges on his record. he was a fool for having one with him when he was dealing.

 

If I'm understanding this correctly, having it on his posession isn't an issue. The fact that he owned guns and kept them at his apt would've still earned him the minimum 55 year sentence.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2004, 03:16:01 PM »
Did this person have a jury?

I have read somewhere that not only was it the jury's duty to judge the individual charged, it was the jury's duty to judge the law itself. It was framed in the constitution that the ultimate judge of government law was the Jury. The Jury has the power to throw cases out or court or perhaps better said, possess the power to find the accused innocent of unjust charges, thus have the power to change law. Over the years state/fed prosecutors and judges have stopped informing or even allowing Jurys to complete their given rights under the law and judge the laws themselfs..

Any among us know of this?

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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2004, 03:21:40 PM »
I have to say that it seems like the gun charges are the ones racking up the years on him. So in that case although its still rediculous you cant make this a thread about someone getting an insane amount of jail for marijuana possesion.

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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2004, 03:24:54 PM »
Sounds like another set of laws similar to the automatic weapon and silencer restrictions.  Those laws were targeted towards gangster activity.  Drug-gun laws today appear to be targeted towards driveby shooting gun toting drug dealers.  Not that this fellow was one, but he met all the criteria.  

I would think there should be some flexibility in the law for the judges discretion.  I suspect the law needs to be revised.  I do have to wonder, why would this fellow walk around with a gun?  Afraid someone would steal $300.00 from his last sale, or was he a 'tough guy' who also sold pot?



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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2004, 03:24:56 PM »
If you read the article it states that the judged was forced by federal law to hand out a sentence that even the judge found ridiculous.

In most places I think that the jury's job is only to determine guilt, sentencing is left to the judge.

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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2004, 03:28:57 PM »
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 I do have to wonder, why would this fellow walk around with a gun?  


Why is irrelevant, he's an american.

If he wants to walk around with a gun the bill of rights says that is a-ok.

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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2004, 03:33:00 PM »
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I have to say that it seems like the gun charges are the ones racking up the years on him. So in that case although its still rediculous you cant make this a thread about someone getting an insane amount of jail for marijuana possesion.

The two tie together.  Without the marijuana the gun charges for those in his apartment would be nonexistant and the penalty for carrying without a permit would not be 5 years I'd bet.

If I understand it correctly, the lengthy mandatories are for the guns while selling drugs.  If you take the drugs out the whole thing falls apart.

That said, having read more about this guy he wasn't a good guy who was doing a slightly naughty.  Still, the sentence is way over the top.


Frankly the mandatory "tough on crime" crap isn't working because it stuff the jails with low level, easily replaced people while the head honchos cut deals to avoid them.

I recall reading about an 18 year old girl who got a 20 year sentence for driving a guy to a meeting.  That was her first offense and the guy going to the meeting got off with less than a quarter her sentence.  She didn't even have any drugs on her and it was unclear if she knew what the meeting was about.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2004, 03:35:20 PM »
thats insane...

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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2004, 03:38:02 PM »
I am sure he was just collecting the guns and only planned to use them in ranges or for hunding, right?  Maybe the judge should have waited until he killed some kid playing at the playgrownd during some drive by.  Then we could give him the justified 19 years in preason instead of this redicilus 55 years.

Yes, is sounds redicilus but I am not going to miss him.  Lets say he got the 18 instead of 55.  He would be 42 when he came out of jail only to end up back in there within a year or so.  The judge just saved us some time an money.

(edit) He will probably be out in 5 anyway
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2004, 03:38:48 PM »
What bothers me about this, aside from the stupid anti marijuana laws. Is that what is being punished here isn't violent or antisocial behavior. What is being punished is gun owning.

Hypothetical situation.

Lazs is a gun owner, gets busted for selling a dime bag, or a liter of home brew ale.

Beetle also gets busted for the same crime.

However Lazs recieves a dramatically worse punishment because he has firearms in his home.

What is the deciding factor that determined the difference of punishment? Which person exercises his 2nd amendment rights.

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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2004, 04:02:48 PM »
Our tax dollars at work, keeping the streets safe from evil plant growers!

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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2004, 04:08:28 PM »
Both sets of laws are crap, you should have to USE or brandish a gun to get the harder penalties not just own them.




Aresting people for a drug far more mild the booze is lame on so many levels.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2004, 04:12:39 PM »
I disagree with the war on drugs. I disagree with mandatory minumums. I don't think the punishment fit the crime. But... if you're going to sell drugs, or even use them or grow them for strictly personal use it pays to know how the law works. This isn't some big secret. handsomehunk.

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