Rumsfeld survival and the shot down 9-11 plane in Pennsylvania

[Sox62]

Originally posted by genozaur
My AA intuition decided long ago (shortly after the 9-11) that that doomed plane was eliminated by the USAF.

Can it be that Rumsfeld's survival in the new administration was the result of his knowledge of the darkest secrets of the 1st W's presidency?

Is "Rum" actually threatening W with the possible exposure of this big secret?9

Gee,what about the pilot who shot it down?Or the ATC who guided him to it?How about the radio transmissions from the fighter?What about the HUD tape,where did it go?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It's a freemason / scull and bones / Bilderberger Group grand conspiracy to hush up the real story of Dealy Plaza.  The last member of the assasination squad was on that plane.  I have proof.

Well, now you've done it.  I've added your name to the list.  Sorry about that upcoming car accident.

[Holden McGroin]

D'oh!

[JB88]

lol holden.

you are clearly mad.

it wasnt the freemasons, it was the local moose lodge.

to get back to the original question...
i think rummy is, by far, the most cunnng of stalins...er bush's cabinet.

if not that, i am sure he has some pretty
hard balls to play with.

[Mini D]

And also I still can't believe that the USAF interceptor planes are piloted exclusively by the fast-promoted former National Air Guards airmen.

Once again genozaur, please explain this.  What is it that has you in disbelief?  That it was a National Guardsman piloting the interceptors?  Please explain why that would be so out of the ordinary.

[Holden McGroin]

Moose lodge?

What you don’t know about the Freemasons JB?  And I supposed it is just a coincidence that Dealey Plaza, Area 51, Rozwell, and Baghdad are all on the same latitude?  The 33rd parallel? And the highest level in Freemasonry is 33rd? Wheels within wheels my friend... wheels within wheels.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Moose lodge?

What you don’t know about the Freemasons JB?  And I supposed it is just a coincidence that Dealey Plaza, Area 51, Rozwell, and Baghdad are all on the same latitude?  The 33rd parallel? And the highest level in Freemasonry is 33rd? Wheels within wheels my friend... wheels within wheels.

Targeting.......

[JB88]

chaos.

that which caused.

[genozaur]

quote:And also I still can't believe that the USAF interceptor planes are piloted exclusively by the fast-promoted former National Air Guards airmen.

Originally posted by Mini D
Please explain this.

Firstly, for some unexplainable reason I don't trust the flight qualifications of "the fast-promoted former National Air Guards airmen" whoever those poor chaps can be.

And secondly, just take an inch closer look at the whole USAF "interception of Flight 93 operation" as it was presented by the media.
 I can still vividly remember how much perplexed I was with all those newscasts about THE TOTAL INABILITY OF THE USAF INTERCEPTORS TOGETHER WITH THE NORAD TO EVEN FIND THE LOST \HIJACKED FLIGHT 93. Then, after they had finally located it, NOBODY SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT IT DOWN THOUGH IT PRESENTED BY ITSELF A HUGE AIRBORNE TARGET MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF DENSELY POPULATED AREAS AND, POSSIBLY, TOWARDS A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. AND IT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THAT THE FLIGHT 93 HAD BEEN HIJACKED TO CARRY OUT THE NEXT SUICIDE ATTACK.

I still can't believe these media reports. Sorry for that. Maybe my 2-year experience with the Soviet AA regiment gives me the wrong angle of view on this whole fable of UNDETECTABLE AND UNDESTRUCTIBLE FLIGHT 93.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by genozaur
quote:And also I still can't believe that the USAF interceptor planes are piloted exclusively by the fast-promoted former National Air Guards airmen.
 

Firstly, for some unexplainable reason I don't trust the flight qualifications of "the fast-promoted former National Air Guards airmen" whoever those poor chaps can be.

And secondly, just take an inch closer look at the whole USAF "interception of Flight 93 operation" as it was presented by the media.
 I can still vividly remember how much perplexed I was with all those newscasts about THE TOTAL INABILITY OF THE USAF INTERCEPTORS TOGETHER WITH THE NORAD TO EVEN FIND THE LOST \HIJACKED FLIGHT 93. Then, after they had finally located it, NOBODY SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO SHOOT IT DOWN THOUGH IT PRESENTED BY ITSELF A HUGE AIRBORNE TARGET MOVING IN THE DIRECTION OF DENSELY POPULATED AREAS AND, POSSIBLY, TOWARDS A NUCLEAR POWER PLANT. AND IT WAS ALREADY KNOWN THAT THE FLIGHT 93 HAD BEEN HIJACKED TO CARRY OUT THE NEXT SUICIDE ATTACK.

I still can't believe these media reports. Sorry for that. Maybe my 2-year experience with the Soviet AA regiment gives me the wrong angle of view on this whole fable of UNDETECTABLE AND UNDESTRUCTIBLE FLIGHT 93.

Wow.  compelling evidence.

[JB88]

actually, there does exist some compelling evidence, though i am not sure that it has been presented in this thread.

its all over the web.  some probably wacko, some gets ya thinkin, but i dont think that it is unreasonable to question the validity of the party line.

werent there two other planes...one isreali and one russian that went down that day too?  (i remember hearing about them right at the beginnng, then nothing else later)

[Martlet]

Originally posted by JB88
actually, there does exist some compelling evidence, though i am not sure that it has been presented in this thread.

its all over the web.  some probably wacko, some gets ya thinkin, but i dont think that it is unreasonable to question the validity of the party line.

werent there two other planes...one isreali and one russian that went down that day too?  (i remember hearing about them right at the beginnng, then nothing else later)

Beats me.  I've heard people talking a lot about evidence, but haven't seen anyone actually present any yet.

[Mini D]

Ah... gotcha genozaur.  Though, you do realize your whole argument is based on 1) not believing the media and 2) your own ignorance.

If this would have been an active duty pilot, you'd have more of an argument.  You obviously don't understand the defense role of the Air National Guard.

As for how the plan was/wasn't found... the problem is you're only reading media reports.  Of course it's going to be confusing because the media is... are you ready for this?... NEVER accurate.

This seems like an attempt to place conspiracy where there is none.  Much like the Pentagon crash.  Someone claimed that it would be easier for the government to launch a cruise missile at the pentagon and then dispose of a jet and all of it's passengers elsewhere than it would be for somoene to crash the plane into a building.  All without anyone either spotting the missile, or hearing one whisper of a rumor in regards to disposing of an aircraft loaded with passengers.

It's amazing how intricate conspiracy theories get.  It's amazing how theorists assume that it's simple to keep everyone involved quiet.  It just doesn't work that way... anywhere.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Mini D
.... All without anyone either spotting the missile, or hearing one whisper of a rumor in regards to disposing of an aircraft loaded with passengers....

Come on now, isn't it obvious? The passengers and plane are quarantined at Groom Lake....

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Martlet
First, there isn't any evidence to support it was shot down.

Second, if it was, why would they cover it up?  That's exactly what would be expected of them in that situation.  To shoot it down.

yes.

If ruhmsfeld had the thing shot down its  a reason that he should be the secretary of defense. Not a reason for black mailing the president.