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Offline Red Tail 444

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10-year vet won't return to Iraq
« on: January 17, 2005, 04:22:09 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144561,00.html

Line him up and shoot him, bleeding heart liberal  :rolleyes:
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Offline Octavius

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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2005, 04:35:07 PM »
Is it possible to enjoy war? ...  To be pro-war?  Pro-death?

"War is t3h w1n!  I <3 D&D!"

Unless you've been killing and judo chopping since birth, hardened beyond belief, and have lost any and all semblence to humanity or human beings, then I would expect the answer to be a simple no.  

If this particular Sgt refuses to deploy, then fine, let him face the consequences of his decision.  He volunteered for this.

But to insult or degrade someone for not not enjoying, not being pro-war, pro-death, is sick.  Soldiers follow orders - whether they enjoy it, or are for, or against it, is beside the point.
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Re: 10-year vet won't return to Iraq
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2005, 04:37:48 PM »
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144561,00.html

Line him up and shoot him, bleeding heart liberal  :rolleyes:


No problem.
For everyone of these guys there is a hero like yourself to take there place.

When do you ship out?
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2005, 04:39:42 PM »
Alvin York was a conscientious objector...
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« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2005, 05:06:58 PM »
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Benderman's unit, the 3rd Forward Support Battalion, was leaving for Kuwait on Jan. 5. When commanders ordered him to deploy while they processed his objector application, he refused to show up for his flight.

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"You should have had the moral fortitude to deploy with us and see me here in Kuwait to begin your CO application," Army Chaplain Matt Temple said in a recent e-mail to Benderman. "You should be ashamed of the way you have conducted yourself. I certainly am ashamed of you."


I couldnt agree with the chaplin more.  He "missed a movement" wich is worse than AWOL.  I don't have any problem with this guy being a CO be he should have followed proper procedures and he shouldnt have waited for deployment to file it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2005, 05:33:06 PM »
I commend him for actually 'being' the change he wants to see in the world instead of saying, "well that's just the way the world is"..

I say right on dude, because as we all know,  as long as there are militaries there will be war..
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2005, 05:39:06 PM »
Gunslinger,

I agree, he blew the proper process. He doesn't get the choice to only serve when it's convenient. He should face the consequences of his choice.
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2005, 05:41:02 PM »
Holden McGroin has a huge point.  But then again, York's chaplain sat him down and told him that they were fighting the good fight.


While he didn't necessarily call him a *****, York went to fight.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2005, 06:03:14 PM »
Isn't a 10-year old too young anyway? :o
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2005, 06:30:22 PM »
Tough call.

On the one hand he had decided by his own choice to stay in the armed forces for 10 years and had already been in a combat zone prior
And this is not a case like the one where the guy resigned and after a couple years the military wants him back. In that case I have to side with the guy who resigned

On the other hand its not hard to understand how or why someone wouldn't want to go back or couldn't.
Question is what do you do with him?
Who would be willing to serve with him?
But you cant just let him off either.

He was clearly wrong for not showing up and deploying while the request was processed

His major mistake was in waiting till the last minute to submit that request.

Had he done so as soon as he got back he would have my sympathy?
Now I cant say he does.

I think the folks here who have actually served would better be able to say what they think should be done with him. Certainly with more legitimacy then whose of us who haven't.

I'll go along with whatever the general concessus of those folk think
« Last Edit: January 17, 2005, 06:34:11 PM by DREDIOCK »
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2005, 06:55:26 PM »
It's really simple, Some people don't discover there a coward until the time comes to enter combat. When they discover their own cowardace they attempt to redeem themselves by claiming some type of moral superiority, in this case CO. Before anyone jumps on me about the Military. USN Retired 1962-1992 Master Chief E9.

Sargent Yorks objections where genuine and based on religious principles. He sorted them out and the rest is History.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2005, 07:03:37 PM by weaselsan »
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2005, 07:11:27 PM »
I find it funnay that his chaplain is ashamed of him.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2005, 07:11:35 PM »
If he feels that strongly about going to Iraq and war, then he shouldn't go.
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2005, 07:22:55 PM »
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I find it funnay that his chaplain is ashamed of him.


the chaplin is a soldier and knows that soldiers are required to follow orders.  He was ordered to return to Iraq while his CO request was processed.  He refused to follow those orders.  Failure to go and missing a movement are shamfull acts.  I'd feel sorry for the guy if he'd come back from Iraq the first time and decided THEN that he'd had enough.

Also keep in mind this.  This guy has 10 years in....he's no private....there's no excuse here.  He KNOWS what's expected of him.

I just ticked over 9 years in service two weeks ago.  At this point in the game I cannot get away with playing dumb.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2005, 07:26:35 PM »
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If he feels that strongly about going to Iraq and war, then he shouldn't go.


Fine.... as long as he repays the US taxpayers 10 years salary.
You see when the time came to earn that pay, he claims he's unqualified,
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