How I learned To Quit Worrying and Love The Propaganda

[rpm]

Q: Mr. President, do you think it's a proper use of government funds to pay commentators to promote your policies?

BUSH: No.

Q: Are you going to order that ...

BUSH: Therefore I will not pay you to.

Q: Fair enough.

Are you ordering that there be an end...

BUSH: I expect my -- yes, I am. I expect my Cabinet secretaries to make sure that that practice doesn't go forward. There needs to be independence.

And Mr. Armstrong Williams admitted he made a mistake.

And we didn't know about this in the White House. And, you know, there needs to be a nice, independent relationship between the White House and the press and the administration and the press. And so, no, we shouldn't be going forward.

Q: Mr. Williams made a mistake.

BUSH: Who?

Q: Mr. Williams made a mistake. Did the Department of Education make a mistake?

BUSH: Yes, they did.

Q: And what will happen to the people that made this decision?

BUSH: And we've got new leadership going to the Department of Education.

But all our Cabinet secretaries must realize that we will not be paying, you know, commentators to advance our agenda. Our agenda ought to be able to stand on its own two feet.

Give it up Martlet. Thou hast been owned.

[Martlet]

Owned?

Everything you posted completely proves the point I made.

You're following the classic liberal argument philosophy:

If you have facts on your side, argue the facts.

If you have truth on your side, argue the truth.

If you have neither facts nor truth on your side, bang the table and cry loudly.

Keep crying.

[rpm]

Seems I have both the truth and the facts on my side. You see the text don't you? Bush himself says it's wrong. He says nothing about buying advertising, he says they hired commentators to advance his policies. That's not advertising, that's good old fashioned propaganda. Do you need a link to Webster's?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by rpm
Seems I have both the truth and the facts on my side. You see the text don't you? Bush himself says it's wrong. He says nothing about buying advertising, he says they hired commentators to advance his policies. That's not advertising, that's good old fashioned propaganda. Do you need a link to Webster's?

You need a link to the story he's talking about?  It's about advertising on William's program.  

Keep spinning.

[rpm]

From Tribune Media Services (Williams' FORMER Employer)
"Tribune Media Services (TMS) today informed Armstrong Williams that it is terminating its business relationship with him effective immediately. After several conversations with Mr. Williams today in which he acknowledged receipt of $240,000 from the U.S. Department of Education (DOE), TMS exercised its option to discontinue distribution of his weekly newspaper column.

"The fact that Mr. Williams failed to notify TMS of his receipt (through the Ketchum public relations agency) of payments from the DOE is a violation of provisions in his syndication agreement with TMS. The agreement requires him to notify TMS when 'a possible or potential conflict of interest arises due to the subject matter of (his columns) and the social, professional, financial, or business relations of (Mr. Williams).'

"We accept Mr. Williams' explanation that these payments by Ketchum on behalf of DOE were for advertising messages broadcast on his radio and TV shows. Nevertheless, accepting compensation in any form from an entity that serves as a subject of his weekly newspaper columns creates, at the very least, the appearance of a conflict of interest. Under these circumstances, readers may well ask themselves if the views expressed in his columns are his own, or whether they have been purchased by a third party."

Advertising is when you run a commercial. You know, those 30 and 60 second spots in the middle of a program that clearly are not part of the program. I'm sure you've seen them.

Propaganda is the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person. When you pretend it is part of the program. This, was propaganda.

Keep riding that Tilt-A-Whirl. Be careful, you stay on it too long and you'll puke.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by rpm
Advertising is when you run a commercial. You know, those 30 and 60 second spots in the middle of a program that clearly are not part of the program. I'm sure you've seen them.

Propaganda is the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person. When you pretend it is part of the program. This, was propaganda.

Keep riding that Tilt-A-Whirl. Be careful, you stay on it too long and you'll puke.

Ahhh, you finally realized what advertising is.  Then you know realize I'm right.

In 2003, I agreed to run a paid ad on my syndicated television show, promoting the Department of Education’s No Child Left Behind Act. I subsequently used my column space to support that legislation. This represents an obvious conflict of interests. People have used this conflict of interests to portray my column as being paid for by the Bush Administration.  Nothing could be further from the truth.

Keep spinning, though.  It's fun to watch.  You must get sick of being schooled, though.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Martlet
I subsequently used my column space to support that legislation.

That one line is the coffin nail. Right there he admits it was propaganda.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by rpm
That one line is the coffin nail. Right there he admits it was propaganda.

Um, no, that's where he admits that taking paid advertising for a political position he agrees with and writes about in his column was wrong.

Reading Comprehension 101.  Sign up for the class.  It will save you future embarrassment.

[rpm]

You must need to take that course...

...accepting compensation in any form from an entity that serves as a subject of his weekly newspaper columns creates, at the very least, the appearance of a conflict of interest. Under these circumstances, readers may well ask themselves if the views expressed in his columns are his own, or whether they have been purchased by a third party."

Now while you chew on that, I have some errands to run. Be glad to pick this up when I get back.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by rpm
You must need to take that course...

Now while you chew on that, I have some errands to run. Be glad to pick this up when I get back.

Chew on that?  An opinion piece?  Nahhh.


Has the schooling I've given you made you that desperate?

[rpm]

An opinion piece? That was the statement his employers (Tribune Media Services) gave when they FIRED him for conflict of interest. You can't be an objective journalist when you are on the payroll of the subject of your journalism. That is called payola, which in turn makes it propaganda. That is Journalism 101. Look it up, then give it up. Face it, you have lost this debate. End of subject.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by rpm
An opinion piece? That was the statement his employers (Tribune Media Services) gave when they FIRED him for conflict of interest. You can't be an objective journalist when you are on the payroll of the subject of your journalism. That is called payola, which in turn makes it propaganda. That is Journalism 101. Look it up, then give it up. Face it, you have lost this debate. End of subject.

If you're going to quote something, link it.  The last time I finally got you to link what you were quoting it turns out you weren't spinning, and the document proved my point.

Let's go for two.

[Raider179]

When did the government engage in advertising? They dont because its called propaghanda.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Raider179
When did the government engage in advertising? They dont because its called propaghanda.

ad·ver·tis·ing n.

The activity of attracting public attention to a product or business, as by paid announcements in the print, broadcast, or electronic media.


Government Advertising.  This just draws attention to the need for recruits.

prop·a·gan·da n.
1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.


Government Propaganda, this paints the Kaiser as a baby killer.

[Raider179]

sorry but that is all propaghanda. And not all propaghanda is bad.

"Propaganda shares many techniques with advertising. In fact, advertising can be thought of as propaganda that promotes a commercial product; however, propaganda usually has political or nationalist themes. Propaganda can take the form of leaflets, posters, TV, and radio broadcasts and can also extend to any other medium."