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Offline JB88

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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2005, 02:33:26 PM »
yah, reagan...oh wait that was somebody else...he just didnt recall violating the constitution.

and it wasnt a grand jury...it was congress...oops.

was it nixon?  no...he just erased it....gosh who was it....hmmmmm.
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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2005, 03:41:08 PM »
Who is Maggie Gallagher and why do you care what she says?

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2005, 05:47:14 PM »
Thanks for bringing this to light RPM.....How dare she spread propaganda about family and children....discusting what some republicans would go to to increase the quality of life for some folks.  I mean who is he to sudjest to anyone that they should wait to have children until they are married and financially able to support a family.  I mean what if they don't want to enjoy their youth and jump right into the stresses and pitfalls of child birthing.  That's just wrong......people should WANT to screw up their life and the govt shouldnt encourage them to do otherwise.


PS what law was broken here?   Last I read the the ethics committee or DOJ or something said this was all legit????

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2005, 05:57:12 PM »
Wasn't someone just saying in another thread that it didn't matter the circumstances of the reporting as long as the message was legitimate?

funny how that no longer applies.

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2005, 06:01:52 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2005, 06:13:15 PM »
As for the exact federal laws, I can not quote them to you. But in the Williams case, it was said repeatedly that paying journalists to promote government programs violated several federal laws. It has happened many times in many administrations and is rarely prosecuted.

My point is this has become commonplace for this administration to pay for propaganda to promote it's agenda. You could tell Bush was clearly angry that he was caught doing this when questioned during todays press conference. He did his damage control dance, calling for agencies to stop this practice. I did not notice him saying he would fire those responsable. So in fact he condoned their actions.

If the administration wants to publicise their programs, they should do so openly, as Reagan did with "Just Say No". Doing it thru subterfuge is, to put it bluntly...cowardly.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2005, 06:15:54 PM »
bingo.
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« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2005, 06:24:15 PM »
Not to mention the use of public airways under the pretense of being "Journalists" when you are really a puppet.

At least air them late at night like infomercials because thats what they are.

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2005, 06:25:42 PM »
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I love the sound of Liberals whineing in the morning......it sounds like........Victory


funny, i dont remember feeling that way when i had to listen to 8 years of (false) conservative nutjobs spouting out thier rhetoric for a lynching.

That makes no sense at all...1 on the whine-o-meter

but then, you rightwingers always spout sh@t when you get busted don't you.  hate to say this, but you get 4 more years of it.  and its only getting started.

best I can give you is a 2 on that one

you always seem to think that getting caught being jack's is cool.

its not.

I don't know what being Jack's is? Maybe you can enlighten me

you should be ashamed of yourselves for having to cheat in the first place.

Cheat on what?

its a damned tragedy to see the mockery that is your vernal cesspool of a NEO- ideology sprung from such good republicans as your fathers.

My Father is a Democrat. A Union Teamster. You know "The Mafia"

its why i left.  the republican party sounded too much like a nursery without enough pacifiers.  now its just reverse crying.  now theyre just spoiled brats.

You where a republican like I was an Imam......

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« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2005, 06:26:40 PM »
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Not to mention the use of public airways under the pretense of being "Journalists" when you are really a puppet.

At least air them late at night like infomercials because thats what they are.


That's what I find disgusting.  It isn't the fault of the Administration.  That's politics.    It's todays journalism that needs an enema.

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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2005, 06:27:48 PM »
Weasle, learn to format.
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« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2005, 06:37:04 PM »
And now the real story........

NEW YORK Maggie Gallagher released a statement this afternoon taking issue with aspects of the Washington Post article by Howard Kurtz that today broke the news that she received $21,500 from the Department of Health and Human Services for marriage-themed writing projects. She called one of the Kurtz passages "completely false."

Kurtz, after being contacted by E&P, read a rebuttal statement over the phone, in which he said she was attempting to "blame the messenger."

Here are Gallagher's comments, followed by Kurtz':

"On January 26, 2005, Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post wrote that I 'had a $21,500 contract with the Department of Health and Human Services to help promote the President's proposal.'

"To me, this is an extremely serious charge. It is also completely false. I was not paid to promote the President's marriage proposal. In 2001 I was approached by HHS to do research and writing, not on the President's $300 million marriage initiative, but on marriage: specifically four brochures on the social-science evidence on the benefits of marriage for populations serviced by HHS (such as unwed parents), a draft of an essay for Wade Horn, and a training presentation on the social-science evidence on the benefits of marriage for regional HHS managers.

"I've been a marriage expert, researcher, and advocate for nearly 20 years. I've written two books on marriage, numerous articles in scholarly journals, as well as many newspaper columns and magazine articles. My research and expertise is why HHS hired me, and why I accepted the work assignment. I have written a syndicated column for almost 10 years, but my main work has been research and public education on marriage as a social institution.

"I did not and would not accept any payment to promote anyone else's policies of any kind in my newspaper column or anywhere else. Moreover on Jan. 25, I offered Howard Kurtz copies of my contract and invoice as documentation of my work product. He had also received a copy of my Jan. 25 column, explaining the exact nature of the work I performed, before he filed his story.

"It is not uncommon for researchers, scholars, or experts to get paid by the government to do work relating to their field of expertise. Nor is it considered unethical or shady: if anything, government funded work is considered a mark of an expert's respectability. Until today, researchers and scholars have not generally been expected to disclose a government-funded research project in the past, when they later wrote about their field of expertise in the popular press or in scholarly journals.

"For these reasons, it simply never occurred to me there was a need to disclose this information. I certainly had no intention or motive to hide my work from anyone. As a journalist, however, when the question is raised 'Should you have disclosed?' the answer is always, yes. It was a mistake on my part not to have disclosed any government contract. It will not happen again."

In response, Kurtz told E&P: "It's too bad that Maggie Gallagher, in the process of apologizing for her mistake, has seen fit to blame the messenger. My story made quite clear that her work at HHS included writing brochures for the President's marriage initiative, ghostwriting a magazine article for a top official, and briefing other department officials on the issue. That sure sounds like promotion to me, but none of this would be a media controversy had Ms. Gallagher disclosed the contract in her writing trumpeting the Bush marriage plan."

 In Other words every thing she did is completely legal....but I'm gonna whine about it any way.

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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2005, 06:40:08 PM »
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Weasle, learn to format.


I'm a multi-millionare, I don't have to learn squat.

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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2005, 06:46:40 PM »
I'm a multi-millionare, I don't have to learn squat.


ahhhh....

george?  is that you?  what are you doing here when you are supposed to be running an inquisition?
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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2005, 06:51:05 PM »
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I'm a multi-millionare, I don't have to learn squat.


ahhhh....

george?  is that you?  what are you doing here when you are supposed to be running an inquisition?


I won't have time PMS wants me to learn how to format.