Author Topic: So now it's official (Read 1506 times)

Zulu7 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 11, 2005, 09:04:32 PM »

Extend the hand of freindship mate

Night.

RedTop · « **Reply #61 on:** February 11, 2005, 09:05:23 PM »

Night

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #62 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:39:43 AM »

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Originally posted by RedTop
Zulu....

I'm wondering , since you seem to think you know the U.S.'s policy , what exactly should we do in the case of N.K.?

I am not answering for zulu, but what are the choices?

lada · « **Reply #63 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:52:39 AM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I certainly hope that N korea hasnt succeeded in smuggling its Nukes out of thier country and into another country, especially this one. that could get ugly if we attack them. I read a Report (probably just an ugly rumor, but still, something to think about) that they are establishing drug smuggling routes into the US cities for no other reason than to do this inn case they are attacked.

Its not secret, that NK goverment selling drugs. Some 2 years ago or so, somebody siezed NK ship full of drugs. Ship belong to authorities and cargo were declared as some seeds.

lada · « **Reply #64 on:** February 12, 2005, 06:58:19 AM »

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Originally posted by RedTop
Zulu....

I'm wondering , since you seem to think you know the U.S.'s policy , what exactly should we do in the case of N.K.?

Umm may be its time to split propaganda and big words from policy.

I cant stop laugh. If i will think about iraq, whitch were repoted to be full of WMD and there were nothing. No we have NK, whitch simply say..... Fu, we have them and we will enjoy them..... Where the hell are all those allmighty guys from CIA ? There were not any single warning that NK could develop Nukes last year (or sooner) from CIA. Only NK said that they have them. Instead of reports from NK, CIA reported pink elephants in Iraq, golden ants in Nigeria and pink panther in Iran. How can you actualy keep listen those super cool/secret informations, from "reliable" sources ?

But what is more important in this moment is attitude of SK and what they will do.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #65 on:** February 12, 2005, 07:46:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Zulu7
Does America realy have the arogance I see reflected in these BBs. How do you guys realy know that your way is right. And what in the hell gives you the right to tell the rest of us how to live?

No North Korea might not be a good place but who gave you guys the job of telling us all what a good place is. I don't want to be an "american idiot" and neither do large sections of this planet! get the message guys or the war is going to be very very very bloody.

Substitute the word "horror" for "arrogance" from Brando's speach in Apocalypse Now. Right in the same whisper repeat after me.... The USA oh my god ...........the arrogance, the arrogance, the arrogance, the arrogance, the arrogance.................... ...................

My speach is free because I don't toe the bulls** america is land of apple pie and all things good line!

I don't hate all Americans before you accuse me just those with a messed up attitude to the rest of us!

No worse then the arrogence shown us by you folks
For that matter, how do you know your way is right.

We are no more no less arrogent then you. Or anyone else.

You sure your a Brit? Cause you sound/act more like a Frenchmen.

What you need to realise is we arent one of your flippen little colonies anymore and havent been for quite some time.

We've kicked your arses in a couple of wars and saved it in a couple others.
Typically the results of wars is what determines who has the right to tell who what.
In which case. We should own you.

Shuckins · « **Reply #66 on:** February 12, 2005, 07:56:47 AM »

If NK starts tossing nukes will it be our fault?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #67 on:** February 12, 2005, 08:26:42 AM »

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Originally posted by lada

I cant stop laugh. If i will think about iraq, whitch were repoted to be full of WMD and there were nothing. No we have NK, whitch simply say..... Fu, we have them and we will enjoy them..... Where the hell are all those allmighty guys from CIA ? There were not any single warning that NK could develop Nukes last year (or sooner) from CIA. Only NK said that they have them. Instead of reports from NK, CIA reported pink elephants in Iraq, golden ants in Nigeria and pink panther in Iran. How can you actualy keep listen those super cool/secret informations, from "reliable" sources ?

See now NK is a classic example of why we were right to go into Iraq.
I have long said I was for the operation in Iraq and would have been for it if they had said we were going in "Because its Tuesday".
My feeling has always been Saddam was a threat to our. and the worlds national interests. And a final showdown with him was inevitable no matter what way you slice it.
Even if he didn't currently have WMDs he was certainly hell-bent for getting Nukes. And it was only a matter of time before he got them. Sanctions or no sanctions (which as it turns out were starting to fall apart anyway).

Now lets say we didn't go in. Doesn't take a Nostradamus to predict what would have happened. Sanctions eventually fall completely apart. Saddam reinvigorates his WMD programs and eventually gets a nuclear capability.

Saddam Being Saddam re invades Kuwait only this time he has nukes to back him up. Thus giving him the capability to blackmail and hold hostage the entire region.
THEN what do we do?

So do we attack him after he gets nukes?
Unlike Scud missiles you dont have to be dead balls accurate when you launch a nuke a near miss works just as well and unlike the rest of the world Saddam has shown and proved he had no ethical problems at all in using whatever WMDs he had at his disposal first.

So even with the hindsight of him not having wmds now. Which every country in the worlds intel agencies said he had and not just the CIA.
I still think we were right to go in now rather then later.
Every country we try to keep from getting nukes ends up getting them anyway. India, Pakistan, And now NK are good examples.

So far in two years we've lost what, 1500 people in Iraq.
While each loss of life is terrible that number is damn near miraculously small after two years as far as wars go.

And certainly a whole lot smaller then if we waited till after he had nukes.

Personally I'm far more in favor of going to war with a country before it gets a nuclear capability then after it already has one.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #68 on:** February 12, 2005, 10:39:23 AM »

Nip it in the bud Andy! Nip it in the bud.

RedTop · « **Reply #69 on:** February 12, 2005, 03:24:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
If NK starts tossing nukes will it be our fault?

Yep. In some way it will be...You can count on it.

RedTop · « **Reply #70 on:** February 12, 2005, 03:30:23 PM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I am not answering for zulu, but what are the choices?

Your president for a day...you make the choices;) Sell the U.S Folks an Idea of WHY and WHAT we should do with N.K. Google the snot out of everything you can come up with then come here and post a response.

You are Dubya. Sell it...and let us know what we are going to do.

RedTop · « **Reply #71 on:** February 12, 2005, 03:46:06 PM »

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Originally posted by lada
Umm may be its time to split propaganda and big words from policy.

I cant stop laugh. If i will think about iraq, whitch were repoted to be full of WMD and there were nothing. No we have NK, whitch simply say..... Fu, we have them and we will enjoy them..... Where the hell are all those allmighty guys from CIA ? There were not any single warning that NK could develop Nukes last year (or sooner) from CIA. Only NK said that they have them. Instead of reports from NK, CIA reported pink elephants in Iraq, golden ants in Nigeria and pink panther in Iran. How can you actualy keep listen those super cool/secret informations, from "reliable" sources ?

But what is more important in this moment is attitude of SK and what they will do.

Ok..spilt words? I'll guess you mean we shouldn't talk so tough. And learn to be more , lets see , for lack of a better term right this sec , we should be wimpy? Or Change our policy to one of "No Big Deal...you have em and we'd be happy to let you keep em. In fact how can we help you in your struggle?"

No warnings last year? I remember hearing about them wanting to make nukes last spring. I heard it ALOT. I think maybe you didn't. I know I did. On the news , radio , every dang day for a while. It stemmed from some investigation about money. Can't remember all the facts surrounding it , but there was plenty of talk here about NK looking to get nukes.

Propoganda? What you call propoganda maybe truth here. What we see as propoganda in your country maybe truth to you. Just a thought there. Where are we spreading propoganda?

About you thinking it was only CIA reporting WMD's in Iraq. There were several countries intelligence agencies reporting SH had WMD's. I think your country was one of them. I may be mistaken but I don't think so. So don't come on here with that self righteous B.S. Hind sight is ALWAYS 20/20 isn't it?

Drediock was just about right in his post. Sooner or later we would have had to deal with the Idiot.

Boroda · « **Reply #72 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:08:53 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

Unlike Scud missiles you dont have to be dead balls accurate when you launch a nuke a near miss works just as well

Another popular myth.

RedTop · « **Reply #73 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:27:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Another popular myth.

So a Nuke needs to hit pretty much on target to do any damage? Is that what you mean here Borada?

Nilsen · « **Reply #74 on:** February 12, 2005, 04:32:35 PM »

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So a Nuke needs to hit pretty much on target to do any damage? Is that what you mean here Borada?

Depends on what you want to destroy doesnt it?