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Offline JB88

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« on: February 11, 2005, 02:57:44 AM »
Royal couple watch nation's mood

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Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles are awaiting the nation's reaction after announcing they are to be married on 8 April.

Mrs Parker Bowles will take the title HRH Duchess of Cornwall after a civil ceremony to be held at Windsor Castle.

A Daily Telegraph poll of 1,313 people suggests two-thirds of Britons support the couple's decision to marry.

But only 40% think Mrs Parker Bowles should become Princess Consort as planned after Charles becomes king

Some 47% believe she should have no title, while 7% think she should become queen.

   
The Duke of Edinburgh and I are very happy that the Prince of Wales and Mrs Parker Bowles are to marry
The Queen

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The poll also found that the majority of Britons would prefer the monarchy to miss a generation, with the Queen handing the throne to her grandson Prince William, 22, on her death or abdication.

On Thursday night, Prince Charles, 56, and Mrs Parker Bowles, 57, hosted a dinner at Windsor Castle, their first public appearance since announcing their engagement.

Mrs Parker Bowles said the prince went down on one knee to propose and added: "I'm just coming down to earth."

Their marriage will end years of speculation on a relationship which dates back to 1970.

Princes 'very happy'

The Queen and Duke of Edinburgh said the news had made them "very happy".

Princes William and Harry said they are "very happy" and wish the couple "all the luck in the future".

Charles said he and his wife-to-be were "absolutely delighted".

The wedding will be a civil ceremony followed by a service of prayer and dedication in St George's Chapel at which the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, will preside.

The marriage is likely to be a sensitive issue because Mrs Parker Bowles is divorced and her former husband is still alive.

If he became king, Charles would be the supreme governor of the Church of England and some Anglicans remain opposed to the remarriage of divorcees.

"His divorce from Diana and the disappointment the country felt over how Diana had been treated... opened up a sense of disillusionment with [Prince Charles]," said Ros Coward, who wrote the authorised biography of Diana, princess of Wales.

The Archbishop of Canterbury said: "I am pleased that Prince Charles and Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles have decided to take this important step."

Tony Blair said he was "delighted" for the couple and offered his congratulations, as did Conservative leader Michael Howard and Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy.

Australia's Prime Minister John Howard also offered his congratulations, adding that their decision to marry was a "sensible and a good thing".

Mrs Parker Bowles has joined the prince at numerous engagements in recent years - mostly at evening events for The Prince's Trust.

Clarence House staff were at pains to point out that she attended these events in a private capacity.



QUESTION:  how do the brits feel about the monarchy these days?

is it neccessary?  will it last?

not a troll.  just curious.

do tell.
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2005, 03:19:56 AM »
Hiya JB88!

I have mixed feelings about the Monarchy. It is an outdated institution IMO, but the same thing could be said about marriage itself. And yet 90% of people will marry in their lifetimes at some point. But what's the point? The modern trend is simply to "be together" and start having kids. It does have certain legal advantages, eg. assets can be transferred between husband and wife without incurring liability for Capital Gains Tax. Also the tax allowance for a married man is more than for a single man in many countries.

As for Charles and Camilla, sure - I think they should get married because it's what they want. I felt sorry for Charles and the situation that was thrust upon him - ie having to marry to produce an heir and all that. He's done his duty, and now it's his turn to do something for himself.

Only about half the countries in Europe have a Monarchy, which shows that it's not really necessary in this day and age. People cite different reasons for why the monarchy should be kept. As time goes by I become more in favour of keeping the monarchy. But my reasons are that it provides a link to the past, and a time before Tony Blair's government began to do everything they could to destroy Old England and the fabric of our society.

"Cool Britannia"? Bollocks. :mad:
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Offline Zulu7

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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2005, 03:24:47 AM »
Let em marry. whether they are Royals or not they are people first. be a bit churlish of me to criticise when I'm getting hitched again after a Divorce!

Hopefully one thing I'm not Is a Hypocrite!:cool:
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« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2005, 03:45:26 AM »
Somehow I think after Charles is crowned there will be no more kingdom in England... Maybe they should skip that guy and make William the King.
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2005, 04:44:12 AM »
Or Harry, then we would have cool tabloids with kings and swastikas. :p
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Offline Chortle

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2005, 04:49:27 AM »
They're irrelevant and increasingly so. Centuries of inbreeding hasn't improved they're chances of survival either, nor being on state benefits for the last 400 years. They're a prime example of how socialism doesn't work and their days are numbered.

As Beetle pointed out though, nothing beats a hereditary monarchy for maintaining the status quo. As a nation we're still slightly bruised from losing the empire, we just couldn't cope yet with the future heir to the throne working as a 3rd rate ad executive for Ikea.

On the plus side, Camilla is past child bearing age so the chilling prospect of some weird half horse, half novelty beer mug hybrid is thankfully a non issue.

Off with their heads!
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2005, 05:54:05 AM »
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Originally posted by Staga
Somehow I think after Charles is crowned there will be no more kingdom in England... Maybe they should skip that guy and make William the King.


Ok, who's this 'they' you're talking about?


See, there's this thing called birthright which under ancient British law means that the monarch's eldest child is 1st in line to the throne when the current monarch either dies or abdicates.  Now some people seem to think that the Queen should have abdicated and handed the throne over to Charles years ago but I disagree.  Being the head of state in this country is a job for life and always has been, why should the Queen give it up before her time?  Heck if I was King I'd wanna try to beat Queen Victoria's record of longest reigning monarch as well.

As for skipping Charlie, why should he not get his birthright?  Makes a mockery of the whole thing.  And besides, I, me, your very own Swoopster, am currently 2365th in line for the throne of this country.  Apparently.  So I was told once.  So if the law gets screwed around with then my claim to the throne in the event of a major disaster which wipes out the 2364 people in front of me would be looked on in a bad light.

:D  King Swoop the first.  Got a nice ring to it don't cha think?


Ok back to the point.  See, you've gotta understand that Charlie never wanted to marry Dianna.  It was all arranged and prebooked and sorted out by Mum long before the event.  Now sure, ok, Dianna kinda got the thin end of the wedge but she didnt deal with it very well.  There's an awful lot that went on that was never made public and probably never will be, but let me tell you Dianna wasn't quite as nice as people seem to think.

But whatever Dianne pulled Charlie never answered back, did anyone notice that?  Personally I admire the guys class and think why the hell shouldnt he be allowed to marry whoever he wants to and still keep his birthright?

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2005, 08:31:09 AM »
Well it will give them something new to sob and whimper about over tea and crumpets for a while. :D

  BTW is crumpets anything like craps? I shot craps a few times, but didn`t know how to clean them.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2005, 08:34:03 AM »
Well said, Swoop.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2005, 08:37:19 AM »
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I shot craps a few times, but didn`t know how to clean them.
That's because it's impossible - you can't polish a türd.

Crumpets? The nearest American equivalent is English Muffin - something I'd never heard of before I went to America. :lol
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Offline Furball

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2005, 12:12:19 PM »
holy drop in standards, batman!

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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2005, 12:55:42 PM »
Beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes ALL THE WAY TO THE BONE!

having said that, whatever makes them happy
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2005, 01:10:12 PM »
seems pretty obvious to me Dianna was killed off so this could take place with little hassle. Royalty is lame. No One is better because they are born into a certain family. Richer yes but better No.
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Offline Chortle

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2005, 01:16:33 PM »
She was knocked off for dating a muslim.
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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2005, 02:12:25 PM »
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holy drop in standards, batman!

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